Hey @bonfire @mayel and crew, if you ever feel like putting a spec down to attach academic citations to #ActivityPub objects for your Open Science Network, ping me.
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@smallcircles @julian @bonfire @mayel
I think basically we are saying the same thing because understanding is a prerequisite to use for me
so yes, agreed.@trwnh
As a side note, I think RDFa is a great idea, I tried to use it in a document and make a markdown preprocessor to be able to use it with semantic mediawiki-style wikilinks[[predicate::object|display text]]where the document is the implicit subject, or[[subject::predicate::object]]and have those render out asaelements with RDFa. But then I learned thatrdflibhad dropped support and there weren't any actively developed parsers, so I gave up because I wasn't gonna write one and what's the point in writing something that can't be parsed easily. -
@trwnh
As a side note, I think RDFa is a great idea, I tried to use it in a document and make a markdown preprocessor to be able to use it with semantic mediawiki-style wikilinks[[predicate::object|display text]]where the document is the implicit subject, or[[subject::predicate::object]]and have those render out asaelements with RDFa. But then I learned thatrdflibhad dropped support and there weren't any actively developed parsers, so I gave up because I wasn't gonna write one and what's the point in writing something that can't be parsed easily.@jonny depending on how things go, i might end up writing one for myself if i decide i want to use html as a canonical content format which gets converted into other serializations. i'm not particularly enamored with markdown as a canonical content format (although i recognize why many people like it) so i don't know how much energy to devote to markdown extensions if i won't end up using them
but i still have research to do re: content modeling and management...
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@jonny depending on how things go, i might end up writing one for myself if i decide i want to use html as a canonical content format which gets converted into other serializations. i'm not particularly enamored with markdown as a canonical content format (although i recognize why many people like it) so i don't know how much energy to devote to markdown extensions if i won't end up using them
but i still have research to do re: content modeling and management...
@jonny one thing that seems potentially promising with markdown is to try to put the data in frontmatter instead of content? then when you parse frontmatter as toml/yaml/json you can basically take the json and make it json-ld by adding a context depending on the "type" of content it represents. imagine something like hugo and mapping the default frontmatter attributes to some vocabulary... then establishing equivalences as needed
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@jonny depending on how things go, i might end up writing one for myself if i decide i want to use html as a canonical content format which gets converted into other serializations. i'm not particularly enamored with markdown as a canonical content format (although i recognize why many people like it) so i don't know how much energy to devote to markdown extensions if i won't end up using them
but i still have research to do re: content modeling and management...
@trwnh
Hey if you can write HTML, then dont bother with markup formats. I write code for scientists and if I were to ask a scientist to write their document in HTML they would just be like "no" and "never" lol -
@jonny one thing that seems potentially promising with markdown is to try to put the data in frontmatter instead of content? then when you parse frontmatter as toml/yaml/json you can basically take the json and make it json-ld by adding a context depending on the "type" of content it represents. imagine something like hugo and mapping the default frontmatter attributes to some vocabulary... then establishing equivalences as needed
@trwnh
There is a Jekyll plugin that does this, but one of the things I wanted with RDFa is to be able to annotate the text within the document as well as the whole document. Its a shame it seems to be quietly being deprecated -
@trwnh
There is a Jekyll plugin that does this, but one of the things I wanted with RDFa is to be able to annotate the text within the document as well as the whole document. Its a shame it seems to be quietly being deprecated@jonny @trwnh If you’re interested in a critical history of RDFa: https://aeshin.org/static/pubs/Shaw%20-%202022%20-%20A%20Dispute%20over%20Embedding%20Linked%20Data%20in%20Web%20Pages.c90822e73bae.pdf
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@trwnh
There is a Jekyll plugin that does this, but one of the things I wanted with RDFa is to be able to annotate the text within the document as well as the whole document. Its a shame it seems to be quietly being deprecated@jonny yeah rdfa is mostly stuck in 2013, it never really got fully ironed out because most people already preferred turtle or the new hotness of jsonld. it's a shame because it does have some advantages that the other formats lack (namely, you can markup text *and* make some of that markup extra-semantic, write once instead of having to maintain two separate things and risk them getting out of sync
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@jonny @trwnh If you’re interested in a critical history of RDFa: https://aeshin.org/static/pubs/Shaw%20-%202022%20-%20A%20Dispute%20over%20Embedding%20Linked%20Data%20in%20Web%20Pages.c90822e73bae.pdf
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@jonny @rieyin ok whew that was a meaty read... i have a lot of notes i took that aren't suited for the mastodon format but i can say that while this is a very good paper and it helped put into words a lot of things that have been brewing in my mind for a long time, it doesn't address what happened *after* the rdfa debate at whatwg and the introduction of microdata, schema.org, open graph protocol. there's probably more at play if you consider this later time period (2010-2013??)
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@jonny @rieyin ok whew that was a meaty read... i have a lot of notes i took that aren't suited for the mastodon format but i can say that while this is a very good paper and it helped put into words a lot of things that have been brewing in my mind for a long time, it doesn't address what happened *after* the rdfa debate at whatwg and the introduction of microdata, schema.org, open graph protocol. there's probably more at play if you consider this later time period (2010-2013??)
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@jonny @rieyin ok whew that was a meaty read... i have a lot of notes i took that aren't suited for the mastodon format but i can say that while this is a very good paper and it helped put into words a lot of things that have been brewing in my mind for a long time, it doesn't address what happened *after* the rdfa debate at whatwg and the introduction of microdata, schema.org, open graph protocol. there's probably more at play if you consider this later time period (2010-2013??)
