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Just finished listening to an interview with @bsky.app CTO @pfrazee.com by @mike on the @dot_social podcast.

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  • jmax@mastodon.socialJ jmax@mastodon.social

    @liaizon @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social Fuzzy boundaries are a characteristic of healthy social institutions.

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    @jmax @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social ohhhh I like that idium

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    • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

      Just finished listening to an interview with @bsky.app CTO @pfrazee.com by @mike on the @dot_social podcast. Super interesting to hear how they both attempted an explaination around categorizing bluesky as a part of the fediverse. I am personally undecided as to what bounds to take with what gets to be called the fediverse and what does not...

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      Creating an ATmosphere of Possibility, with Bluesky’s Paul Frazee

      From the outside, Bluesky may seem like a Twitter clone. But anyone who’s close to the technology — and the team — knows that they’re building something much deeper: they’re rethinking the internet...

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      @liaizon Yeah, like I wrote here, I think it's probably more confusing than helpful to make the term "Fediverse" include Bluesky… https://martianbase.net/@mackuba/114484050397122882

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      • mackuba@martianbase.netM mackuba@martianbase.net

        @liaizon Yeah, like I wrote here, I think it's probably more confusing than helpful to make the term "Fediverse" include Bluesky… https://martianbase.net/@mackuba/114484050397122882

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        @mackuba this gets mucly pretty fast tho. If I have 100 followers and 50 of them are from Bluesky (via a bridge like Bridgy or via something like @wafrn) where/what are the interactions happening in? "I got followers on the open social web" just feels weird to me.

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        • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

          @mackuba this gets mucly pretty fast tho. If I have 100 followers and 50 of them are from Bluesky (via a bridge like Bridgy or via something like @wafrn) where/what are the interactions happening in? "I got followers on the open social web" just feels weird to me.

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          liaizon@social.wake.st I think I need a Venn diagram for how the terms "fediverse", "open social web", "social web", "indieweb", etc. all relate to one another.

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            @julian
            Can't we just keep saying "on the web"? To me all this is a continuation of that lineage.
            @liaizon

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            • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

              Just finished listening to an interview with @bsky.app CTO @pfrazee.com by @mike on the @dot_social podcast. Super interesting to hear how they both attempted an explaination around categorizing bluesky as a part of the fediverse. I am personally undecided as to what bounds to take with what gets to be called the fediverse and what does not...

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              Creating an ATmosphere of Possibility, with Bluesky’s Paul Frazee

              From the outside, Bluesky may seem like a Twitter clone. But anyone who’s close to the technology — and the team — knows that they’re building something much deeper: they’re rethinking the internet...

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              Flipboard PeerTube (flipboard.video)

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              @liaizon
              The Fediverse is a range of different open source softwares, all based on the #activitypub and federated by this protocol which has been designed to allow a federation of independent and totally autonomous instances with full control by their administrators. That's called "decentralisation".

              @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social

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              • nelfan@mastodon.zaclys.comN nelfan@mastodon.zaclys.com

                @liaizon
                The Fediverse is a range of different open source softwares, all based on the #activitypub and federated by this protocol which has been designed to allow a federation of independent and totally autonomous instances with full control by their administrators. That's called "decentralisation".

                @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social

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                To be part of the Fediverse, those sofwares must have been conceived in order to allow the decentralisation.
                So, #Threads is not in the Fediverse.

                #BlueSky may become interoperable with the Fediverse and may be considered with gentleness but it will never become a part of the Fediverse.
                @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social @liaizon

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                • nelfan@mastodon.zaclys.comN nelfan@mastodon.zaclys.com

                  To be part of the Fediverse, those sofwares must have been conceived in order to allow the decentralisation.
                  So, #Threads is not in the Fediverse.

                  #BlueSky may become interoperable with the Fediverse and may be considered with gentleness but it will never become a part of the Fediverse.
                  @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social @liaizon

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                  @Nelfan @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social but you've already in a conversation right now that has participation from people across other protocols. I don't think it makes any sense to define the fediverse in terms of the protocols that it contains. If you can communicate with someone bidirectional and exchange replies and reactions/likes then you are part of the fediverse. But of course we don't actually get to decide what the fediverse "means" as usage grows

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                    @julian @liaizon There isn't even one definition of those! 😅

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                      @julian @liaizon here it is

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                      • nextgraph@fosstodon.orgN nextgraph@fosstodon.org

                        @julian @liaizon here it is

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                        nextgraph@fosstodon.org I see, much clearer now 🤓

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