I had hopes that #Threads would fully embrace #ActivityPub, but now it’s been quite a while since they made any improvements on that front and the things they have implemented feel like half-measures at best and segregation in other cases.
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@jrollans people keep bringing it up and asking about it, but then it usually gets confused with the "mailing list" like fedigroups where you can subscribe to posts that include @groupname. Not really groups in my opinion.
There's rumours of a dormant branch of Mastodon that was abandoned and if it usually exists it's several years old.
@leanderlindahl I agree, those two features do get confused for each other often and the type of groups I think we need are more like the Meta style groups feature. The other version is basically pointless because we can already follow hashtags and build groups around those. Plus, a real group feature needs moderation features and the ability to control the flow of users who can join.
There is a branch of Mastodon that has such a thing, it’s actually been kept updated with the main branch.
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@leanderlindahl I agree, those two features do get confused for each other often and the type of groups I think we need are more like the Meta style groups feature. The other version is basically pointless because we can already follow hashtags and build groups around those. Plus, a real group feature needs moderation features and the ability to control the flow of users who can join.
There is a branch of Mastodon that has such a thing, it’s actually been kept updated with the main branch.
@jrollans that would be a massive game changer to be able to have groups in a social context without predatory oligarchs. Then you'd be able to offer a credible alternative when you refuse to use fb in your local association.
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@jrollans that would be a massive game changer to be able to have groups in a social context without predatory oligarchs. Then you'd be able to offer a credible alternative when you refuse to use fb in your local association.
@leanderlindahl@mastodon.social @jrollans@mastodon.social
What kind of groups do you have in mind?
Something like #Guppe groups? (Currently no longer active, afair).
Or something with more features?
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@leanderlindahl@mastodon.social @jrollans@mastodon.social
What kind of groups do you have in mind?
Something like #Guppe groups? (Currently no longer active, afair).
Or something with more features?
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@jrollans that would be a massive game changer to be able to have groups in a social context without predatory oligarchs. Then you'd be able to offer a credible alternative when you refuse to use fb in your local association.
@leanderlindahl it really would’ve be fantastic! Thought I suppose in a way you could use something like Lemmy of PieFed to achieve these types of groups. Just create communities that are invite only and don’t federate outside of the group itself (unless you want it to), but that gets complicated when trying to explain to people that don’t use ActivityPub systems.
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@leanderlindahl@mastodon.social @jrollans@mastodon.social
What kind of groups do you have in mind?
Something like #Guppe groups? (Currently no longer active, afair).
Or something with more features?
@nick @leanderlindahl definitely something more well-rounded and feature full the old Guppe groups were little more than a bit user that would boost everything to everyone who subscribed. A Lemmy style community would make more sense, but that’s a whole different platform. I’d like to see groups that people could use like Facebook marketplace and things like that. I personally don’t use it, but most of my friends won’t leave Facebook mainly because of the marketplaces.
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@leanderlindahl @nick exactly!
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@leanderlindahl @nick exactly!
@jrollans @nick I assume Mastodon groups will require more complexity than microblogging, but it could be an optional add-on for "ambitious servers".
The main feature/requirement that groups can discoverable and joinable via a regular mastodon account, because there's where it be a game changer.
Otherwise people can just use Matrix, Mattermost, Signal, Olvid, Ginlo... But that removes the discoverability and " joinability".
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@leanderlindahl it really would’ve be fantastic! Thought I suppose in a way you could use something like Lemmy of PieFed to achieve these types of groups. Just create communities that are invite only and don’t federate outside of the group itself (unless you want it to), but that gets complicated when trying to explain to people that don’t use ActivityPub systems.
@jrollans I've a couple of times suggested making Mastodon also have SSO properties, I.e. using your Mastodon account for authentication on services that integrate with that.
Then you could set up all kinds of things like Lemmy in your example or Flohmarkt for "marketplace".
I like the idea of having Mastodon as your "base" account, from which you can participate – Pixelfed, Loops, kBin, Flohmarkt (marketplace), Mobilizon (events). That would make it much easier to move people.
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@leanderlindahl it really would’ve be fantastic! Thought I suppose in a way you could use something like Lemmy of PieFed to achieve these types of groups. Just create communities that are invite only and don’t federate outside of the group itself (unless you want it to), but that gets complicated when trying to explain to people that don’t use ActivityPub systems.
@jrollans but lots of people seem to object to that idea. I can't see the negatives, it'd be a capability that could be used. Not a mandatory for everyone. You still be able register separate accounts everywhere if you don't like using one for many things.
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@jrollans @nick I assume Mastodon groups will require more complexity than microblogging, but it could be an optional add-on for "ambitious servers".
The main feature/requirement that groups can discoverable and joinable via a regular mastodon account, because there's where it be a game changer.
Otherwise people can just use Matrix, Mattermost, Signal, Olvid, Ginlo... But that removes the discoverability and " joinability".
@leanderlindahl @nick it would definitely be way more useful if it was built in to Mastodon instead of some SSO with another platform. I’ll see if I can dig up that pull request that has the groups feature for Mastodon. It’s pretty much exactly what I would want from a feature like that.
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@jrollans but lots of people seem to object to that idea. I can't see the negatives, it'd be a capability that could be used. Not a mandatory for everyone. You still be able register separate accounts everywhere if you don't like using one for many things.
@leanderlindahl I don’t understand the negativity either! But there are a lot of other Fediverse issues people get pretty bent out of shape over that in don’t pretend to understand.
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@leanderlindahl @nick it would definitely be way more useful if it was built in to Mastodon instead of some SSO with another platform. I’ll see if I can dig up that pull request that has the groups feature for Mastodon. It’s pretty much exactly what I would want from a feature like that.
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@leanderlindahl @nick it would definitely be way more useful if it was built in to Mastodon instead of some SSO with another platform. I’ll see if I can dig up that pull request that has the groups feature for Mastodon. It’s pretty much exactly what I would want from a feature like that.
