where would you expect quotes to show up in #WordPress ?
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@pfefferle Blogging is part of the fediverse, but blogging is not social media. Do not detract from the blog post.
@cyclingrichard do you refer to incoming or outgoing quotes?
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@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard
> In our experience, 99% of all trackbacks and pingbacks are spam. This is the easiest way for spammers to get a backlink from your site.
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@pfefferle @NickBohle @cyclingrichard Of course, context would be nice and is needed. But a different type of formatting would be also helpful. That’s what I meant with reference to the trackbacks. The positioning of them, it was/is just at the same place as the comments.
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@pfefferle @NickBohle @cyclingrichard Of course, context would be nice and is needed. But a different type of formatting would be also helpful. That’s what I meant with reference to the trackbacks. The positioning of them, it was/is just at the same place as the comments.
@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard the "problem" is, that there is no unified way how themes show pingbacks.
so you simply suggest to separate them from the "normal" comments!?
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where would you expect quotes to show up in #WordPress ?
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@pfefferle The QuoteRequest activity is similar to a Pingback with an extended interactionPolicy, and I believe it should treat the quoted content as a remote object rather than displaying it directly within a comment. A quote is not a comment, after all.
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@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard the "problem" is, that there is no unified way how themes show pingbacks.
so you simply suggest to separate them from the "normal" comments!?
@pfefferle @Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard The `send quoteRequest to` field sounds like a good approach.
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@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard the "problem" is, that there is no unified way how themes show pingbacks.
so you simply suggest to separate them from the "normal" comments!?
@pfefferle @Sascha @cyclingrichard
Theme implementation is a crucial point. I remember that I once wrote an article how to separate comments and pingbacks in "The Morning After" theme back in 2008.
How comments and pingbacks look in Twenty Twenty-Four nowadays (see below).
Furthermore - for me - a comment / reply continues a conservation. A quote starts a new conservation.
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@cyclingrichard do you refer to incoming or outgoing quotes?
@pfefferle I don't know enough about the topic to comment. I'd have to follow developments more closely to get a good idea of what is being prepared. I know that I want to pivot back towards social networks, rather than social media. It's good to have focused attention for individual blog posts. As I said, I need to spend more time following the conversation to give useful answers.
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where would you expect quotes to show up in #WordPress ?
Introducing quote posts
Over the years, we’ve learned just how essential quoting is to many of you. Here's a deep dive on how quote posts will work on Mastodon.
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@pfefferle My suggestion is to show a quote post as a highlighted #WordPress comment, along with the quoted section. Some blogs like the @verge highlight comments, although I think those are reserved for admins & users.
Another alternative is to have quoted post highlighted in the comments or a #Fediverse icon put next to the profile picture in the comments (maybe a small square toward the right side or have the #ActivityPub symbol appear next to the profile picture in the comments).
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@pfefferle In the trackbacks.
@pfefferle -- it's not a trackback.
be careful about these decisions because they will be hard to undo and if successful will determine the character of the product.
i chose wait for the reader, which makes me very much want to know what the reader will look like and how can we bridge it into the rss world which is where my new reader is running.
also feedland runs in that world too of course. you could be the hub for activitypub, not just a client.
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where would you expect quotes to show up in #WordPress ?
Introducing quote posts
Over the years, we’ve learned just how essential quoting is to many of you. Here's a deep dive on how quote posts will work on Mastodon.
Mastodon Blog (blog.joinmastodon.org)
@pfefferle Something inbetween a classic pingback / traceback and the same presentation as a normal “retweet” / “retoot” / “share”
I don’t think it should appear as a comment as it isn’t a directly reply to the post, it’s merely a mention / sharing of it
It could chronologically appear among the comments, but like pingback / traceback and such it should not appear as a style of a comment.
And if one shows the number of shares a post have gotten, then a quote should for sure increase that one.
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@pfefferle -- it's not a trackback.
be careful about these decisions because they will be hard to undo and if successful will determine the character of the product.
i chose wait for the reader, which makes me very much want to know what the reader will look like and how can we bridge it into the rss world which is where my new reader is running.
also feedland runs in that world too of course. you could be the hub for activitypub, not just a client.
> it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.
Could you expand on that? What about whole threads developing prevents it from being a trackback?
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> it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.
Could you expand on that? What about whole threads developing prevents it from being a trackback?
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> it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.
Could you expand on that? What about whole threads developing prevents it from being a trackback?
i have to think about this some more.
trackback is something i never liked in the blogosphere, because it was instantly a spam thing.
i remember the first time i saw that happening, i realized this isn't going to work.
i have a different model for discourse.
but i do like "likes" -- so that's a voluntary trackback -- and that makes more sense.
i guess i'm more confused about this today than i was the other day when I wrote that comment.
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i have to think about this some more.
trackback is something i never liked in the blogosphere, because it was instantly a spam thing.
i remember the first time i saw that happening, i realized this isn't going to work.
i have a different model for discourse.
but i do like "likes" -- so that's a voluntary trackback -- and that makes more sense.
i guess i'm more confused about this today than i was the other day when I wrote that comment.
@davew @pfefferle Ha! Yeah, it's a mind bender alright!
At least the Spam aspect shouldn't be a concern with all the back-and-forth to even allow quote posts.
The way I look at it is integrating an ActivityPub concept with a blogging concept that's already familiar to WP users.
