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    ::: spoiler Mirror

    Star Citizen Alpha 4.5.0 PTU: Engineering Design Doc

    Alpha 4.5.0 introduces Engineering Gameplay, Armor, and Ship Fire Hazards. These interconnected systems fundamentally change how you interact with and maintain your spacecraft and represents some of the most significant ship gameplay changes, affecting nearly every ship and vehicle in the game.

    The goal of Engineering gameplay is to enable ships to perform approximately as well as they did in 4.4.0 in combat and survivability, with the added benefit that engineering and multicrew gameplay can extend capabilities beyond what was possible in 4.4.0. However, you'll now need to actively manage your ship's systems and perform maintenance between battles to ensure you're fully prepared for your next encounter.

    Engineering systems are currently in progress during 4.5.0 PTU phases and may have issues and features not completely functioning. These can be treated as bugs and feedback and we definitely want to hear from you in the issue council and Spectrum about all of your findings!


    Engineering and Resource Network

    The new Engineering system introduces a comprehensive ship management experience that transforms how players interact with their vessels. This system creates dedicated gameplay roles for engineers aboard multi-crew ships while also providing solo pilots with new depth in ship maintenance and combat survival.

    Engineering encompasses power management, component health monitoring, damage repair, fire suppression, and system prioritization. Understanding these interconnected systems is essential for keeping your ship operational during and after combat, exploration, and everyday flight operations.


    Multi-Crew Engineering

    The Engineer Role
    On larger vessels, dedicated engineers will be imperative to keeping your ship ready during and in-between encounters. Extending the life of your ship is one of your engineer's main goals through various tasks including monitoring the ship status during combat, prioritizing repair tasks, managing power distribution, fighting fires, and replacing and fixing components.

    Having clear communication between your captain, pilot, and engineers is a must. This will include decision making for what emergencies to prioritize over another. As the engineer, you will have the tools at your disposal to give information about your ship’s current state to all members of your crew, starting with the engineering screen.


    Engineering Screen UI

    The Aesop Engineering Screen is the primary interface for monitoring and managing ship systems. This screen provides a comprehensive view of all ship components, their health status, power distribution, and system alerts.

    The Engineering Screen can be accessed from: Dedicated engineering stations on larger ships, copilot seats on smaller vessels (for non-physicalized ships), and MFD panels throughout your ship.


    Interface Elements

    Ship Schematic View
    The central display shows a 3D representation of your ship with color-coded indicators for each component and room. This view allows you to Identify damaged components at a glance, Navigate to specific ship sections, and Monitor real-time damage and and out of combat.

    Displayed Information: Information currently displayed shows Hull damage and health overviews, component names and locations, component health/wear/tear percentages, power distribution status, room atmospheric conditions, and fire alerts. A component info box shows upon hovering over a component, giving a summary of its state.

    Room Display
    Shows fire status, atmospheric conditions, and loss of atmosphere for each room in the ship. Note that this can create significant information clutter on larger vessels.

    Color State Indicators
    Components are displayed with color-coded health states:

    • Green: 100-50% health range
    • Yellow: 50-20% health range
    • Red 20-1% health range
    • White 0% fully destroyed component

    Important Note: The current yellow threshold triggers at 99%+ health, which is considered too aggressive. Design intent is for yellow to appear at 50% health.


    Presets

    Players can store and load Presets of their power distributions through a dedicated UI section.

    • Flow: Create new preset, give it a name, adjust power levels
    • Presets can be shown in preview mode, which decouples the power management display from the active vehicle. Changes made in Preview can be either saved to a Preset, applied to the active vehicle, or discarded
    • Presets can be shared between players (stored locally in the user folder, similar to the Character Customizer)
    • Presets are stored per vehicle. There are no limits to the amount of presets

    Ship Components Overview

    Component Categories
    Ships contain various components organized into functional categories. Understanding each type is crucial for effective engineering.

    Power Generation
    Power Plants Function: Generate electrical power for all ship systems.
    Failure effect: These are of Critical Importance. If the power plant reaches critical state (0% health), the ship has a chance to explode.
    Key Behaviors: Power plant failure triggers a self-destruct sequence with a timer based on the power plant. This can be repaired with multi-tool once critical. (Power plants going critical at 90%+ health without warning is a known issue)

    Thermal Management
    Coolers Function: Dissipate heat generated by weapons, thrusters, and other systems.
    Failure Effect: Weapons and systems overheat faster, may shut down automatically
    Key Behaviors: Some ships have multiple coolers to provide redundancy. Damaged coolers reduce heat dissipation capacity proportionally.

    Defense Systems
    Shield Generators Function: Project energy shields to absorb incoming damage
    Failure Effect: Ship hull takes direct damage from all attacks
    Key Behaviors: Multiple shield generators share the shield pool. Damaged generators reduce shield capacity and regeneration. A ship can have a max of 2 shields active at the same time with the 3rd being a reserve that is turned on once you lose one of your main shield generators (Note that shield status currently not visible on engineering screen)

    Navigation & Detection
    Quantum Drives Function: Enable quantum travel between locations
    Failure Effect: Cannot perform quantum jumps (Jump drives currently cannot be repaired (known bug) - Requires replacement if destroyed)

    Radar Function: Detect ships, signatures, and points of interest
    Failure Effect: Reduced or no sensor capability
    Key Behaviors: Radar is frequently damaged in combat (fragile) and may require multiple repairs during or between extended engagements

    Propulsion
    Main Thrusters Function: Provide primary thrust for acceleration
    Failure Effect: Reduced acceleration capability

    Maneuvering Thrusters Function: Provide attitude control and lateral movement
    Failure Effect: Loss of specific directional control

    Retro Thrusters Function: Provide deceleration thrust
    Failure Effect: Reduced braking capability

    Key Behaviors: Individual thruster damage is very granular and lost thrusters can cause uncontrollable flight. Thruster status currently NOT visible on engineering screen Considered too fragile in current balance.

    Life Support
    Life Support Units Function: Maintains breathable atmosphere, controls room temperature, and filters contaminants
    Failure Effect: Loss of atmosphere quality control
    Key Behaviors:

    • Filters smoke from the air (currently too slow)
    • Can be damaged affecting atmospheric quality
    • Contains replaceable filter sub-items

    Door Systems
    Door Hologram: Shows color coded holographic doors throughout the ship based on Nominal (blue), Offline (grey), Warning/Locked (yellow), and Critical/Broken (red)


    Power Distribution & Management

    Understanding Ship Power
    Every ship has a finite power budget generated by its power plant(s). This power must be distributed among all ship systems: Shields, Weapons, Thrusters, Life Support, and other various systems. Managing this power distribution can be a job unto itself and prioritizing certain systems over another in tense situations could affect the survival of your ship and crew.

    From the engineering screen or power MFD, there is a default power state for all ships but you as the engineer can Prioritize Systems, Emergency Divert power from non-essential systems, and balance load to distribute power evenly for standard operations.

    In these systems, power is routed through capacitors that store energy for different system groups.

    • Weapon Capacitors: Store energy for weapon systems. Depleted capacitors reduce fire rate or disable weapons.
    • Shield Capacitors: Store energy for shield regeneration. Depleted capacitors slow hield recovery.
    • Thruster Capacitors: Store energy for propulsion systems. Currently affects the ship boost.

    Fuses & Relay Systems

    Fuse System Overview
    Fuses act as protective devices between the power plant and individual components. Keeping plenty of these in quick reach of your engineer is imperative for continued operations.

    Fuse Locations and Relay Systems
    Fuses are installed in relay boxes throughout the ship. They connect all items with each other. If you lose all fuses inside a relay it still connects all items, but you have less power available in the entire ship. You will lose Power pips based on the relay that does not have any fuses anymore. Ships vary in the number and location of relay boxes: While most small ships have between 1-2 relay locations, medium and larger ships can have 3-4 relay locations or more.

    Fuse health and Identifying Damaged Fuses
    Damaged fuses appear on the engineering screen or will be visibly destroyed within the relay box. To replace these the play much first locate the damaged fuse, open the relay panel, remove the damaged fuse, and then replace it with one from their inventory.

    Current Limitation: No "use from inventory" feature. Must physically handle fuses.


    Armor Penetration Mechanics

    • Penetration Mechanics: Weapons have a penetration value (e.g., 1 meter for a size 3 ballistic gatling). The amount they penetrate depends on the current armor percentage. Penetration cone, impact radius, and distance radius all affect area on penetration.
    • Linear progression: As you reduce armor, penetration increases linearly. At 0% armor, weapons penetrate at their maximum value.
    • Weapon type matters: Ballistic weapons are less effective against armor compared to energy weapons, which do 1.4x normal damage to armor.
    • Component damage: Penetration is checked within a cone, not just a straight line. If a component is within the cone, it takes damage based on the penetration value and armor percentage.
    • Breaking armor: Even smaller weapons can eventually wear down armor over time, but larger weapons penetrate deeper and faster.

    Example Scenario
    If you use a size 2 weapon against a ship with full armor, you won’t penetrate. But as you keep firing and reduce the armor, you’ll start to penetrate and eventually damage internal components.
    For capital ships, you may need larger weapons to reach deeply buried components.

    Additional Notes
    Armor bar improvements: There are ongoing efforts to fix bugs and make armor health more transparent to players.
    Tooltips: Updated tooltips should help players understand armor, hull, and other systems.
    Penetration cone: The system uses a cone check for penetration, so it’s not just a single bullet path. Multiple components can be affected within the cone.


    UI

    Giving information about the current state of armor of your ship and your target is just as meaningful as self status of shields and other systems.

    This includes:

    • Health pool of the armor
    • Current effective thickness (the current value modified by the health ratio and the curve)
    • Feedback for shots including aiming reticle/pip provides piercing, not piercing but damaging, or not damaging the armor meaningfully
    • The Engineering Screen mirrors similar feedback on a dedicated panel widget
    • Shop descriptions describe armor-relevant properties of the entities. Guns (FPS/Vehicles): Penetration, Armor Damage Multiplier. Vehicles: Default armor thickness.

    Damage States & Component Health

    How Components Take Damage
    Components can be damaged through various weapon fire penetrating hull/shields, collision impacts with other objects or terrain, Overheating when operating beyond thermal limits, and fire damage.

    Health Percentage System
    Each component has a health value from 0% to 100% which will degrade performance of the component the closer to 0% it becomes. Keeping components repaired is essential to full ship performance.
    Component health thresholds will quickly hinder your ship and keeping components repaired is essential to keep full ship performance.

    • 100 and 75% health the components will be at full performance
    • 75-50% health, minor performance degradation
    • 50-25% health, significant performance reduction
    • 25-10% health, Severely reduced performance
    • 10-1% Near failure performance
    • 0% Critically destroyed and non functional. Where power plants will go into critical state and thermal runaway

    Hull Section Damage
    Hull sections have their own health pools
    Known Issues: Once hull sections turn red, they stop registering hit markers. Must damage entire ship to critical before destruction. This creates confusion about whether attacks are landing

    Distortion Damage on Components
    Distortion damage is a core damage type/behavior. Does not cause any physical damage or harm directly. Distortion shuts down powered entities. Components hit by Distortion-type weaponry, the Power Surge malfunction, etc. fill a Distortion pool, which decays over time. Distortion triggers if the pool fills completely, and disappears if the pool decays below a Recovery Ratio. Current behavior: Component shuts off


    The Wear System

    Understanding Damage vs. Wear
    The Engineering system distinguishes between two types of degradation: Damage and Wear

    Damage: Caused by combat, collisions, fires, and direct actions against the component. These can be repaired and restored to a pre-damage state using multi-tools and materials
    Wear: Accumulated through normal use over time and will gradually degrade maximum component performance. Wear damage cannot be repaired through multi-tool use which means over time, the only way to restore functionality will be to replace the worn out component or repair at a station. Operating time, high-stress operations (combat, high power usage), and environmental exposure will all effect component wear.

    Wear System notes: All components can currently be replaced or repaired at stations. While Size 1 and Size 2 components can be manually replaced while in flight, Size 3 and larger components need to be repaired or replaced while docked at a station.


    Repair System

    Along with the engineering screens, the primary tools an engineer will use is the multi-tools and repair attachments. Using Repair Material Composite (RMC), the player will be able to directly see the health and status of components, weapons, hulls, relays, and more.

    An engineer can see component damage either by looking on the engineering screen or in person by aiming their repair tool at the component.

    By aiming your repair tool at the damaged item such as a component or ship hull and holding the trigger the player will apply a repair beam that will take time based on component size. This could take quite a bit of time but multiple players working multiple repair tools together can combine their power to speed the process up.

    There are however some current repair limitations:

    • Jump Drives: Currently cannot be repaired (known bug)
    • Unknown Parts: Some components appear on screen but cannot be located physically

    Component Replacement

    Replacement will become necessary when the component has been fully destroyed (0% health) or the component wear is too high for effective operation. This also applies to fuses or general upgrades you want to make with higher quality parts. Replacement components must match the exact slot size.

    The replacement process for physicalized components is pretty straight forward:

    • Physicalized Ships Removal: Access the component bay/location, interact with the component, and select the "Remove" option. The component will then go to local inventory or drop as physical item.
    • Physicalized Ships Install: Access the component slot, have replacement component in inventory, interact with empty slot, select component to install
    • For Non-Physicalized Ships: Use Vehicle Loadout Manager at stations as these cannot be physically interacted with

    Fire System Overview

    Heat is now a crucial element for pilots and engineers to monitor. As components operate, they generate heat and raise their temperature, creating a constant balancing act between cooling systems and maintaining performance. Coolant must be directed appropriately to keep components within safe operating limits while still supporting the needs of the ship.

    The longer a component runs at high temperatures, the faster it will accumulate wear, reducing efficiency and increasing the chance of failure. If a component overheats beyond safe thresholds, it will trigger a thermal shutdown and stop functioning until it cools down.

    Letting components run too hot also increases the risk of fire, one of the most dangerous situations a ship can face. Fires can start due to overheating, malfunctions, or direct damage. Engineers must respond quickly using fire extinguishers or by venting a room to remove oxygen and suppress flames.

    Staying on top of heat management is essential to keeping your ship safe and operational.

    Fire Behavior
    Accidents happen and sometimes staying on top of the heat management is not possible with your engineer “non-operational” at the time and now your ship has caught fire.

    Fires can occur when components take damage and overheat, fuel lines are breached, electrical systems short circuit, or external weapons ignite flammable materials. These fires will need to be contained or risk spread throughout the ship as it moves from room to room, damaging and destroying your hard earned loot, components, nested vehicles, and crew.

    Fires throughout your ship will also generate realistic smoke, significantly reducing visibility. Life support systems will gradually scrub the atmosphere in a room to remove smoke once the fire is contained.

    The engineering screen and ship will provide visual and audio alerts when fire is detected. Visual indicators on room map along with location-based fire warnings.

    Fire Suppression
    There are multiple ways to help stop the spread of fire and remove it. Using the supply of fire extinguishers around the ship might be your first choice. These FPS items will allow your crew to hit the fire directly at the source. These extinguishers have a limited resource stored inside them and will need to be recharged by placing back onto their rack in the ship when not in use.
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      ::: spoiler Mirror

      Star Citizen Alpha 4.5.0 PTU: Engineering Design Doc

      Alpha 4.5.0 introduces Engineering Gameplay, Armor, and Ship Fire Hazards. These interconnected systems fundamentally change how you interact with and maintain your spacecraft and represents some of the most significant ship gameplay changes, affecting nearly every ship and vehicle in the game.

      The goal of Engineering gameplay is to enable ships to perform approximately as well as they did in 4.4.0 in combat and survivability, with the added benefit that engineering and multicrew gameplay can extend capabilities beyond what was possible in 4.4.0. However, you'll now need to actively manage your ship's systems and perform maintenance between battles to ensure you're fully prepared for your next encounter.

      Engineering systems are currently in progress during 4.5.0 PTU phases and may have issues and features not completely functioning. These can be treated as bugs and feedback and we definitely want to hear from you in the issue council and Spectrum about all of your findings!


      Engineering and Resource Network

      The new Engineering system introduces a comprehensive ship management experience that transforms how players interact with their vessels. This system creates dedicated gameplay roles for engineers aboard multi-crew ships while also providing solo pilots with new depth in ship maintenance and combat survival.

      Engineering encompasses power management, component health monitoring, damage repair, fire suppression, and system prioritization. Understanding these interconnected systems is essential for keeping your ship operational during and after combat, exploration, and everyday flight operations.


      Multi-Crew Engineering

      The Engineer Role
      On larger vessels, dedicated engineers will be imperative to keeping your ship ready during and in-between encounters. Extending the life of your ship is one of your engineer's main goals through various tasks including monitoring the ship status during combat, prioritizing repair tasks, managing power distribution, fighting fires, and replacing and fixing components.

      Having clear communication between your captain, pilot, and engineers is a must. This will include decision making for what emergencies to prioritize over another. As the engineer, you will have the tools at your disposal to give information about your ship’s current state to all members of your crew, starting with the engineering screen.


      Engineering Screen UI

      The Aesop Engineering Screen is the primary interface for monitoring and managing ship systems. This screen provides a comprehensive view of all ship components, their health status, power distribution, and system alerts.

      The Engineering Screen can be accessed from: Dedicated engineering stations on larger ships, copilot seats on smaller vessels (for non-physicalized ships), and MFD panels throughout your ship.


      Interface Elements

      Ship Schematic View
      The central display shows a 3D representation of your ship with color-coded indicators for each component and room. This view allows you to Identify damaged components at a glance, Navigate to specific ship sections, and Monitor real-time damage and and out of combat.

      Displayed Information: Information currently displayed shows Hull damage and health overviews, component names and locations, component health/wear/tear percentages, power distribution status, room atmospheric conditions, and fire alerts. A component info box shows upon hovering over a component, giving a summary of its state.

      Room Display
      Shows fire status, atmospheric conditions, and loss of atmosphere for each room in the ship. Note that this can create significant information clutter on larger vessels.

      Color State Indicators
      Components are displayed with color-coded health states:

      • Green: 100-50% health range
      • Yellow: 50-20% health range
      • Red 20-1% health range
      • White 0% fully destroyed component

      Important Note: The current yellow threshold triggers at 99%+ health, which is considered too aggressive. Design intent is for yellow to appear at 50% health.


      Presets

      Players can store and load Presets of their power distributions through a dedicated UI section.

      • Flow: Create new preset, give it a name, adjust power levels
      • Presets can be shown in preview mode, which decouples the power management display from the active vehicle. Changes made in Preview can be either saved to a Preset, applied to the active vehicle, or discarded
      • Presets can be shared between players (stored locally in the user folder, similar to the Character Customizer)
      • Presets are stored per vehicle. There are no limits to the amount of presets

      Ship Components Overview

      Component Categories
      Ships contain various components organized into functional categories. Understanding each type is crucial for effective engineering.

      Power Generation
      Power Plants Function: Generate electrical power for all ship systems.
      Failure effect: These are of Critical Importance. If the power plant reaches critical state (0% health), the ship has a chance to explode.
      Key Behaviors: Power plant failure triggers a self-destruct sequence with a timer based on the power plant. This can be repaired with multi-tool once critical. (Power plants going critical at 90%+ health without warning is a known issue)

      Thermal Management
      Coolers Function: Dissipate heat generated by weapons, thrusters, and other systems.
      Failure Effect: Weapons and systems overheat faster, may shut down automatically
      Key Behaviors: Some ships have multiple coolers to provide redundancy. Damaged coolers reduce heat dissipation capacity proportionally.

      Defense Systems
      Shield Generators Function: Project energy shields to absorb incoming damage
      Failure Effect: Ship hull takes direct damage from all attacks
      Key Behaviors: Multiple shield generators share the shield pool. Damaged generators reduce shield capacity and regeneration. A ship can have a max of 2 shields active at the same time with the 3rd being a reserve that is turned on once you lose one of your main shield generators (Note that shield status currently not visible on engineering screen)

      Navigation & Detection
      Quantum Drives Function: Enable quantum travel between locations
      Failure Effect: Cannot perform quantum jumps (Jump drives currently cannot be repaired (known bug) - Requires replacement if destroyed)

      Radar Function: Detect ships, signatures, and points of interest
      Failure Effect: Reduced or no sensor capability
      Key Behaviors: Radar is frequently damaged in combat (fragile) and may require multiple repairs during or between extended engagements

      Propulsion
      Main Thrusters Function: Provide primary thrust for acceleration
      Failure Effect: Reduced acceleration capability

      Maneuvering Thrusters Function: Provide attitude control and lateral movement
      Failure Effect: Loss of specific directional control

      Retro Thrusters Function: Provide deceleration thrust
      Failure Effect: Reduced braking capability

      Key Behaviors: Individual thruster damage is very granular and lost thrusters can cause uncontrollable flight. Thruster status currently NOT visible on engineering screen Considered too fragile in current balance.

      Life Support
      Life Support Units Function: Maintains breathable atmosphere, controls room temperature, and filters contaminants
      Failure Effect: Loss of atmosphere quality control
      Key Behaviors:

      • Filters smoke from the air (currently too slow)
      • Can be damaged affecting atmospheric quality
      • Contains replaceable filter sub-items

      Door Systems
      Door Hologram: Shows color coded holographic doors throughout the ship based on Nominal (blue), Offline (grey), Warning/Locked (yellow), and Critical/Broken (red)


      Power Distribution & Management

      Understanding Ship Power
      Every ship has a finite power budget generated by its power plant(s). This power must be distributed among all ship systems: Shields, Weapons, Thrusters, Life Support, and other various systems. Managing this power distribution can be a job unto itself and prioritizing certain systems over another in tense situations could affect the survival of your ship and crew.

      From the engineering screen or power MFD, there is a default power state for all ships but you as the engineer can Prioritize Systems, Emergency Divert power from non-essential systems, and balance load to distribute power evenly for standard operations.

      In these systems, power is routed through capacitors that store energy for different system groups.

      • Weapon Capacitors: Store energy for weapon systems. Depleted capacitors reduce fire rate or disable weapons.
      • Shield Capacitors: Store energy for shield regeneration. Depleted capacitors slow hield recovery.
      • Thruster Capacitors: Store energy for propulsion systems. Currently affects the ship boost.

      Fuses & Relay Systems

      Fuse System Overview
      Fuses act as protective devices between the power plant and individual components. Keeping plenty of these in quick reach of your engineer is imperative for continued operations.

      Fuse Locations and Relay Systems
      Fuses are installed in relay boxes throughout the ship. They connect all items with each other. If you lose all fuses inside a relay it still connects all items, but you have less power available in the entire ship. You will lose Power pips based on the relay that does not have any fuses anymore. Ships vary in the number and location of relay boxes: While most small ships have between 1-2 relay locations, medium and larger ships can have 3-4 relay locations or more.

      Fuse health and Identifying Damaged Fuses
      Damaged fuses appear on the engineering screen or will be visibly destroyed within the relay box. To replace these the play much first locate the damaged fuse, open the relay panel, remove the damaged fuse, and then replace it with one from their inventory.

      Current Limitation: No "use from inventory" feature. Must physically handle fuses.


      Armor Penetration Mechanics

      • Penetration Mechanics: Weapons have a penetration value (e.g., 1 meter for a size 3 ballistic gatling). The amount they penetrate depends on the current armor percentage. Penetration cone, impact radius, and distance radius all affect area on penetration.
      • Linear progression: As you reduce armor, penetration increases linearly. At 0% armor, weapons penetrate at their maximum value.
      • Weapon type matters: Ballistic weapons are less effective against armor compared to energy weapons, which do 1.4x normal damage to armor.
      • Component damage: Penetration is checked within a cone, not just a straight line. If a component is within the cone, it takes damage based on the penetration value and armor percentage.
      • Breaking armor: Even smaller weapons can eventually wear down armor over time, but larger weapons penetrate deeper and faster.

      Example Scenario
      If you use a size 2 weapon against a ship with full armor, you won’t penetrate. But as you keep firing and reduce the armor, you’ll start to penetrate and eventually damage internal components.
      For capital ships, you may need larger weapons to reach deeply buried components.

      Additional Notes
      Armor bar improvements: There are ongoing efforts to fix bugs and make armor health more transparent to players.
      Tooltips: Updated tooltips should help players understand armor, hull, and other systems.
      Penetration cone: The system uses a cone check for penetration, so it’s not just a single bullet path. Multiple components can be affected within the cone.


      UI

      Giving information about the current state of armor of your ship and your target is just as meaningful as self status of shields and other systems.

      This includes:

      • Health pool of the armor
      • Current effective thickness (the current value modified by the health ratio and the curve)
      • Feedback for shots including aiming reticle/pip provides piercing, not piercing but damaging, or not damaging the armor meaningfully
      • The Engineering Screen mirrors similar feedback on a dedicated panel widget
      • Shop descriptions describe armor-relevant properties of the entities. Guns (FPS/Vehicles): Penetration, Armor Damage Multiplier. Vehicles: Default armor thickness.

      Damage States & Component Health

      How Components Take Damage
      Components can be damaged through various weapon fire penetrating hull/shields, collision impacts with other objects or terrain, Overheating when operating beyond thermal limits, and fire damage.

      Health Percentage System
      Each component has a health value from 0% to 100% which will degrade performance of the component the closer to 0% it becomes. Keeping components repaired is essential to full ship performance.
      Component health thresholds will quickly hinder your ship and keeping components repaired is essential to keep full ship performance.

      • 100 and 75% health the components will be at full performance
      • 75-50% health, minor performance degradation
      • 50-25% health, significant performance reduction
      • 25-10% health, Severely reduced performance
      • 10-1% Near failure performance
      • 0% Critically destroyed and non functional. Where power plants will go into critical state and thermal runaway

      Hull Section Damage
      Hull sections have their own health pools
      Known Issues: Once hull sections turn red, they stop registering hit markers. Must damage entire ship to critical before destruction. This creates confusion about whether attacks are landing

      Distortion Damage on Components
      Distortion damage is a core damage type/behavior. Does not cause any physical damage or harm directly. Distortion shuts down powered entities. Components hit by Distortion-type weaponry, the Power Surge malfunction, etc. fill a Distortion pool, which decays over time. Distortion triggers if the pool fills completely, and disappears if the pool decays below a Recovery Ratio. Current behavior: Component shuts off


      The Wear System

      Understanding Damage vs. Wear
      The Engineering system distinguishes between two types of degradation: Damage and Wear

      Damage: Caused by combat, collisions, fires, and direct actions against the component. These can be repaired and restored to a pre-damage state using multi-tools and materials
      Wear: Accumulated through normal use over time and will gradually degrade maximum component performance. Wear damage cannot be repaired through multi-tool use which means over time, the only way to restore functionality will be to replace the worn out component or repair at a station. Operating time, high-stress operations (combat, high power usage), and environmental exposure will all effect component wear.

      Wear System notes: All components can currently be replaced or repaired at stations. While Size 1 and Size 2 components can be manually replaced while in flight, Size 3 and larger components need to be repaired or replaced while docked at a station.


      Repair System

      Along with the engineering screens, the primary tools an engineer will use is the multi-tools and repair attachments. Using Repair Material Composite (RMC), the player will be able to directly see the health and status of components, weapons, hulls, relays, and more.

      An engineer can see component damage either by looking on the engineering screen or in person by aiming their repair tool at the component.

      By aiming your repair tool at the damaged item such as a component or ship hull and holding the trigger the player will apply a repair beam that will take time based on component size. This could take quite a bit of time but multiple players working multiple repair tools together can combine their power to speed the process up.

      There are however some current repair limitations:

      • Jump Drives: Currently cannot be repaired (known bug)
      • Unknown Parts: Some components appear on screen but cannot be located physically

      Component Replacement

      Replacement will become necessary when the component has been fully destroyed (0% health) or the component wear is too high for effective operation. This also applies to fuses or general upgrades you want to make with higher quality parts. Replacement components must match the exact slot size.

      The replacement process for physicalized components is pretty straight forward:

      • Physicalized Ships Removal: Access the component bay/location, interact with the component, and select the "Remove" option. The component will then go to local inventory or drop as physical item.
      • Physicalized Ships Install: Access the component slot, have replacement component in inventory, interact with empty slot, select component to install
      • For Non-Physicalized Ships: Use Vehicle Loadout Manager at stations as these cannot be physically interacted with

      Fire System Overview

      Heat is now a crucial element for pilots and engineers to monitor. As components operate, they generate heat and raise their temperature, creating a constant balancing act between cooling systems and maintaining performance. Coolant must be directed appropriately to keep components within safe operating limits while still supporting the needs of the ship.

      The longer a component runs at high temperatures, the faster it will accumulate wear, reducing efficiency and increasing the chance of failure. If a component overheats beyond safe thresholds, it will trigger a thermal shutdown and stop functioning until it cools down.

      Letting components run too hot also increases the risk of fire, one of the most dangerous situations a ship can face. Fires can start due to overheating, malfunctions, or direct damage. Engineers must respond quickly using fire extinguishers or by venting a room to remove oxygen and suppress flames.

      Staying on top of heat management is essential to keeping your ship safe and operational.

      Fire Behavior
      Accidents happen and sometimes staying on top of the heat management is not possible with your engineer “non-operational” at the time and now your ship has caught fire.

      Fires can occur when components take damage and overheat, fuel lines are breached, electrical systems short circuit, or external weapons ignite flammable materials. These fires will need to be contained or risk spread throughout the ship as it moves from room to room, damaging and destroying your hard earned loot, components, nested vehicles, and crew.

      Fires throughout your ship will also generate realistic smoke, significantly reducing visibility. Life support systems will gradually scrub the atmosphere in a room to remove smoke once the fire is contained.

      The engineering screen and ship will provide visual and audio alerts when fire is detected. Visual indicators on room map along with location-based fire warnings.

      Fire Suppression
      There are multiple ways to help stop the spread of fire and remove it. Using the supply of fire extinguishers around the ship might be your first choice. These FPS items will allow your crew to hit the fire directly at the source. These extinguishers have a limited resource stored inside them and will need to be recharged by placing back onto their rack in the ship when not in use.
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      Haven't read it yet but I have to say one thing: they posted this in the stupidest way possible. Med gameplay changes? Proper article on the site. Engineering? Spread over multiple posts on Spectrum.

      Why?

      Edit: Well, I read through the whole thing. Sounds alright though I'm not a fan of some of the ideas (their approach to redundancy for example). It's just text so I'm not going to cast my judgement until I try it out myself.

      Other than that, I hope this leads to finally having some proper money sinks - not huge ones considering tuning it for constant replacements would be extremely annoying but it's a start. Also provides something to do with the ship beyond using it as a transport.

      Now if only they could do something about losing ships when the game crashes.

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        Star Citizen Alpha 4.5.0 PTU: Engineering Design Doc

        Alpha 4.5.0 introduces Engineering Gameplay, Armor, and Ship Fire Hazards. These interconnected systems fundamentally change how you interact with and maintain your spacecraft and represents some of the most significant ship gameplay changes, affecting nearly every ship and vehicle in the game.

        The goal of Engineering gameplay is to enable ships to perform approximately as well as they did in 4.4.0 in combat and survivability, with the added benefit that engineering and multicrew gameplay can extend capabilities beyond what was possible in 4.4.0. However, you'll now need to actively manage your ship's systems and perform maintenance between battles to ensure you're fully prepared for your next encounter.

        Engineering systems are currently in progress during 4.5.0 PTU phases and may have issues and features not completely functioning. These can be treated as bugs and feedback and we definitely want to hear from you in the issue council and Spectrum about all of your findings!


        Engineering and Resource Network

        The new Engineering system introduces a comprehensive ship management experience that transforms how players interact with their vessels. This system creates dedicated gameplay roles for engineers aboard multi-crew ships while also providing solo pilots with new depth in ship maintenance and combat survival.

        Engineering encompasses power management, component health monitoring, damage repair, fire suppression, and system prioritization. Understanding these interconnected systems is essential for keeping your ship operational during and after combat, exploration, and everyday flight operations.


        Multi-Crew Engineering

        The Engineer Role
        On larger vessels, dedicated engineers will be imperative to keeping your ship ready during and in-between encounters. Extending the life of your ship is one of your engineer's main goals through various tasks including monitoring the ship status during combat, prioritizing repair tasks, managing power distribution, fighting fires, and replacing and fixing components.

        Having clear communication between your captain, pilot, and engineers is a must. This will include decision making for what emergencies to prioritize over another. As the engineer, you will have the tools at your disposal to give information about your ship’s current state to all members of your crew, starting with the engineering screen.


        Engineering Screen UI

        The Aesop Engineering Screen is the primary interface for monitoring and managing ship systems. This screen provides a comprehensive view of all ship components, their health status, power distribution, and system alerts.

        The Engineering Screen can be accessed from: Dedicated engineering stations on larger ships, copilot seats on smaller vessels (for non-physicalized ships), and MFD panels throughout your ship.


        Interface Elements

        Ship Schematic View
        The central display shows a 3D representation of your ship with color-coded indicators for each component and room. This view allows you to Identify damaged components at a glance, Navigate to specific ship sections, and Monitor real-time damage and and out of combat.

        Displayed Information: Information currently displayed shows Hull damage and health overviews, component names and locations, component health/wear/tear percentages, power distribution status, room atmospheric conditions, and fire alerts. A component info box shows upon hovering over a component, giving a summary of its state.

        Room Display
        Shows fire status, atmospheric conditions, and loss of atmosphere for each room in the ship. Note that this can create significant information clutter on larger vessels.

        Color State Indicators
        Components are displayed with color-coded health states:

        • Green: 100-50% health range
        • Yellow: 50-20% health range
        • Red 20-1% health range
        • White 0% fully destroyed component

        Important Note: The current yellow threshold triggers at 99%+ health, which is considered too aggressive. Design intent is for yellow to appear at 50% health.


        Presets

        Players can store and load Presets of their power distributions through a dedicated UI section.

        • Flow: Create new preset, give it a name, adjust power levels
        • Presets can be shown in preview mode, which decouples the power management display from the active vehicle. Changes made in Preview can be either saved to a Preset, applied to the active vehicle, or discarded
        • Presets can be shared between players (stored locally in the user folder, similar to the Character Customizer)
        • Presets are stored per vehicle. There are no limits to the amount of presets

        Ship Components Overview

        Component Categories
        Ships contain various components organized into functional categories. Understanding each type is crucial for effective engineering.

        Power Generation
        Power Plants Function: Generate electrical power for all ship systems.
        Failure effect: These are of Critical Importance. If the power plant reaches critical state (0% health), the ship has a chance to explode.
        Key Behaviors: Power plant failure triggers a self-destruct sequence with a timer based on the power plant. This can be repaired with multi-tool once critical. (Power plants going critical at 90%+ health without warning is a known issue)

        Thermal Management
        Coolers Function: Dissipate heat generated by weapons, thrusters, and other systems.
        Failure Effect: Weapons and systems overheat faster, may shut down automatically
        Key Behaviors: Some ships have multiple coolers to provide redundancy. Damaged coolers reduce heat dissipation capacity proportionally.

        Defense Systems
        Shield Generators Function: Project energy shields to absorb incoming damage
        Failure Effect: Ship hull takes direct damage from all attacks
        Key Behaviors: Multiple shield generators share the shield pool. Damaged generators reduce shield capacity and regeneration. A ship can have a max of 2 shields active at the same time with the 3rd being a reserve that is turned on once you lose one of your main shield generators (Note that shield status currently not visible on engineering screen)

        Navigation & Detection
        Quantum Drives Function: Enable quantum travel between locations
        Failure Effect: Cannot perform quantum jumps (Jump drives currently cannot be repaired (known bug) - Requires replacement if destroyed)

        Radar Function: Detect ships, signatures, and points of interest
        Failure Effect: Reduced or no sensor capability
        Key Behaviors: Radar is frequently damaged in combat (fragile) and may require multiple repairs during or between extended engagements

        Propulsion
        Main Thrusters Function: Provide primary thrust for acceleration
        Failure Effect: Reduced acceleration capability

        Maneuvering Thrusters Function: Provide attitude control and lateral movement
        Failure Effect: Loss of specific directional control

        Retro Thrusters Function: Provide deceleration thrust
        Failure Effect: Reduced braking capability

        Key Behaviors: Individual thruster damage is very granular and lost thrusters can cause uncontrollable flight. Thruster status currently NOT visible on engineering screen Considered too fragile in current balance.

        Life Support
        Life Support Units Function: Maintains breathable atmosphere, controls room temperature, and filters contaminants
        Failure Effect: Loss of atmosphere quality control
        Key Behaviors:

        • Filters smoke from the air (currently too slow)
        • Can be damaged affecting atmospheric quality
        • Contains replaceable filter sub-items

        Door Systems
        Door Hologram: Shows color coded holographic doors throughout the ship based on Nominal (blue), Offline (grey), Warning/Locked (yellow), and Critical/Broken (red)


        Power Distribution & Management

        Understanding Ship Power
        Every ship has a finite power budget generated by its power plant(s). This power must be distributed among all ship systems: Shields, Weapons, Thrusters, Life Support, and other various systems. Managing this power distribution can be a job unto itself and prioritizing certain systems over another in tense situations could affect the survival of your ship and crew.

        From the engineering screen or power MFD, there is a default power state for all ships but you as the engineer can Prioritize Systems, Emergency Divert power from non-essential systems, and balance load to distribute power evenly for standard operations.

        In these systems, power is routed through capacitors that store energy for different system groups.

        • Weapon Capacitors: Store energy for weapon systems. Depleted capacitors reduce fire rate or disable weapons.
        • Shield Capacitors: Store energy for shield regeneration. Depleted capacitors slow hield recovery.
        • Thruster Capacitors: Store energy for propulsion systems. Currently affects the ship boost.

        Fuses & Relay Systems

        Fuse System Overview
        Fuses act as protective devices between the power plant and individual components. Keeping plenty of these in quick reach of your engineer is imperative for continued operations.

        Fuse Locations and Relay Systems
        Fuses are installed in relay boxes throughout the ship. They connect all items with each other. If you lose all fuses inside a relay it still connects all items, but you have less power available in the entire ship. You will lose Power pips based on the relay that does not have any fuses anymore. Ships vary in the number and location of relay boxes: While most small ships have between 1-2 relay locations, medium and larger ships can have 3-4 relay locations or more.

        Fuse health and Identifying Damaged Fuses
        Damaged fuses appear on the engineering screen or will be visibly destroyed within the relay box. To replace these the play much first locate the damaged fuse, open the relay panel, remove the damaged fuse, and then replace it with one from their inventory.

        Current Limitation: No "use from inventory" feature. Must physically handle fuses.


        Armor Penetration Mechanics

        • Penetration Mechanics: Weapons have a penetration value (e.g., 1 meter for a size 3 ballistic gatling). The amount they penetrate depends on the current armor percentage. Penetration cone, impact radius, and distance radius all affect area on penetration.
        • Linear progression: As you reduce armor, penetration increases linearly. At 0% armor, weapons penetrate at their maximum value.
        • Weapon type matters: Ballistic weapons are less effective against armor compared to energy weapons, which do 1.4x normal damage to armor.
        • Component damage: Penetration is checked within a cone, not just a straight line. If a component is within the cone, it takes damage based on the penetration value and armor percentage.
        • Breaking armor: Even smaller weapons can eventually wear down armor over time, but larger weapons penetrate deeper and faster.

        Example Scenario
        If you use a size 2 weapon against a ship with full armor, you won’t penetrate. But as you keep firing and reduce the armor, you’ll start to penetrate and eventually damage internal components.
        For capital ships, you may need larger weapons to reach deeply buried components.

        Additional Notes
        Armor bar improvements: There are ongoing efforts to fix bugs and make armor health more transparent to players.
        Tooltips: Updated tooltips should help players understand armor, hull, and other systems.
        Penetration cone: The system uses a cone check for penetration, so it’s not just a single bullet path. Multiple components can be affected within the cone.


        UI

        Giving information about the current state of armor of your ship and your target is just as meaningful as self status of shields and other systems.

        This includes:

        • Health pool of the armor
        • Current effective thickness (the current value modified by the health ratio and the curve)
        • Feedback for shots including aiming reticle/pip provides piercing, not piercing but damaging, or not damaging the armor meaningfully
        • The Engineering Screen mirrors similar feedback on a dedicated panel widget
        • Shop descriptions describe armor-relevant properties of the entities. Guns (FPS/Vehicles): Penetration, Armor Damage Multiplier. Vehicles: Default armor thickness.

        Damage States & Component Health

        How Components Take Damage
        Components can be damaged through various weapon fire penetrating hull/shields, collision impacts with other objects or terrain, Overheating when operating beyond thermal limits, and fire damage.

        Health Percentage System
        Each component has a health value from 0% to 100% which will degrade performance of the component the closer to 0% it becomes. Keeping components repaired is essential to full ship performance.
        Component health thresholds will quickly hinder your ship and keeping components repaired is essential to keep full ship performance.

        • 100 and 75% health the components will be at full performance
        • 75-50% health, minor performance degradation
        • 50-25% health, significant performance reduction
        • 25-10% health, Severely reduced performance
        • 10-1% Near failure performance
        • 0% Critically destroyed and non functional. Where power plants will go into critical state and thermal runaway

        Hull Section Damage
        Hull sections have their own health pools
        Known Issues: Once hull sections turn red, they stop registering hit markers. Must damage entire ship to critical before destruction. This creates confusion about whether attacks are landing

        Distortion Damage on Components
        Distortion damage is a core damage type/behavior. Does not cause any physical damage or harm directly. Distortion shuts down powered entities. Components hit by Distortion-type weaponry, the Power Surge malfunction, etc. fill a Distortion pool, which decays over time. Distortion triggers if the pool fills completely, and disappears if the pool decays below a Recovery Ratio. Current behavior: Component shuts off


        The Wear System

        Understanding Damage vs. Wear
        The Engineering system distinguishes between two types of degradation: Damage and Wear

        Damage: Caused by combat, collisions, fires, and direct actions against the component. These can be repaired and restored to a pre-damage state using multi-tools and materials
        Wear: Accumulated through normal use over time and will gradually degrade maximum component performance. Wear damage cannot be repaired through multi-tool use which means over time, the only way to restore functionality will be to replace the worn out component or repair at a station. Operating time, high-stress operations (combat, high power usage), and environmental exposure will all effect component wear.

        Wear System notes: All components can currently be replaced or repaired at stations. While Size 1 and Size 2 components can be manually replaced while in flight, Size 3 and larger components need to be repaired or replaced while docked at a station.


        Repair System

        Along with the engineering screens, the primary tools an engineer will use is the multi-tools and repair attachments. Using Repair Material Composite (RMC), the player will be able to directly see the health and status of components, weapons, hulls, relays, and more.

        An engineer can see component damage either by looking on the engineering screen or in person by aiming their repair tool at the component.

        By aiming your repair tool at the damaged item such as a component or ship hull and holding the trigger the player will apply a repair beam that will take time based on component size. This could take quite a bit of time but multiple players working multiple repair tools together can combine their power to speed the process up.

        There are however some current repair limitations:

        • Jump Drives: Currently cannot be repaired (known bug)
        • Unknown Parts: Some components appear on screen but cannot be located physically

        Component Replacement

        Replacement will become necessary when the component has been fully destroyed (0% health) or the component wear is too high for effective operation. This also applies to fuses or general upgrades you want to make with higher quality parts. Replacement components must match the exact slot size.

        The replacement process for physicalized components is pretty straight forward:

        • Physicalized Ships Removal: Access the component bay/location, interact with the component, and select the "Remove" option. The component will then go to local inventory or drop as physical item.
        • Physicalized Ships Install: Access the component slot, have replacement component in inventory, interact with empty slot, select component to install
        • For Non-Physicalized Ships: Use Vehicle Loadout Manager at stations as these cannot be physically interacted with

        Fire System Overview

        Heat is now a crucial element for pilots and engineers to monitor. As components operate, they generate heat and raise their temperature, creating a constant balancing act between cooling systems and maintaining performance. Coolant must be directed appropriately to keep components within safe operating limits while still supporting the needs of the ship.

        The longer a component runs at high temperatures, the faster it will accumulate wear, reducing efficiency and increasing the chance of failure. If a component overheats beyond safe thresholds, it will trigger a thermal shutdown and stop functioning until it cools down.

        Letting components run too hot also increases the risk of fire, one of the most dangerous situations a ship can face. Fires can start due to overheating, malfunctions, or direct damage. Engineers must respond quickly using fire extinguishers or by venting a room to remove oxygen and suppress flames.

        Staying on top of heat management is essential to keeping your ship safe and operational.

        Fire Behavior
        Accidents happen and sometimes staying on top of the heat management is not possible with your engineer “non-operational” at the time and now your ship has caught fire.

        Fires can occur when components take damage and overheat, fuel lines are breached, electrical systems short circuit, or external weapons ignite flammable materials. These fires will need to be contained or risk spread throughout the ship as it moves from room to room, damaging and destroying your hard earned loot, components, nested vehicles, and crew.

        Fires throughout your ship will also generate realistic smoke, significantly reducing visibility. Life support systems will gradually scrub the atmosphere in a room to remove smoke once the fire is contained.

        The engineering screen and ship will provide visual and audio alerts when fire is detected. Visual indicators on room map along with location-based fire warnings.

        Fire Suppression
        There are multiple ways to help stop the spread of fire and remove it. Using the supply of fire extinguishers around the ship might be your first choice. These FPS items will allow your crew to hit the fire directly at the source. These extinguishers have a limited resource stored inside them and will need to be recharged by placing back onto their rack in the ship when not in use.
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        These are some cool concepts and will change the game quite a bit, especially for big ships. Can't wait to offer my services as freelance engineer.

        Oh, and there will be lots of imbalance and complaining.

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          Haven't read it yet but I have to say one thing: they posted this in the stupidest way possible. Med gameplay changes? Proper article on the site. Engineering? Spread over multiple posts on Spectrum.

          Why?

          Edit: Well, I read through the whole thing. Sounds alright though I'm not a fan of some of the ideas (their approach to redundancy for example). It's just text so I'm not going to cast my judgement until I try it out myself.

          Other than that, I hope this leads to finally having some proper money sinks - not huge ones considering tuning it for constant replacements would be extremely annoying but it's a start. Also provides something to do with the ship beyond using it as a transport.

          Now if only they could do something about losing ships when the game crashes.

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          Wear will be tricky. Why would i want to play like that if i can just file a claim on my lifetime pledge ship... i can see the appeal, but that might have to be reworked

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            These are some cool concepts and will change the game quite a bit, especially for big ships. Can't wait to offer my services as freelance engineer.

            Oh, and there will be lots of imbalance and complaining.

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            To be fair, a lot of complaining stems from the fact each time we're told "this system isn't finished but will be iterated upon quickly" only to for things to be left with minimal changes for months or years - see Master Modes, T0 of item recovery etc. That and designing features with a mistaken expectation that people in an online environment will play "properly" and not abuse them in ways anyone who played online games for a few years can point out immediately, only to be surprised when that exactly thing happens.

            It's not all people complain about, obviously, but it certainly doesn't help.

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              To be fair, a lot of complaining stems from the fact each time we're told "this system isn't finished but will be iterated upon quickly" only to for things to be left with minimal changes for months or years - see Master Modes, T0 of item recovery etc. That and designing features with a mistaken expectation that people in an online environment will play "properly" and not abuse them in ways anyone who played online games for a few years can point out immediately, only to be surprised when that exactly thing happens.

              It's not all people complain about, obviously, but it certainly doesn't help.

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              100 percent. I kind of line sc currently but I can also see myself taking a break of a few months or years if things get too annoying.

              But I really enjoy the golem ox, such a cool ship

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                100 percent. I kind of line sc currently but I can also see myself taking a break of a few months or years if things get too annoying.

                But I really enjoy the golem ox, such a cool ship

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                I've been eyeing Hull-A for the limited hauling I do but after seeing the Ox I'm starting to think about waiting for that instead. Ship interiors are cool but they aren't useful enough to justify over smaller footprint and simpler cargo area.

                It really is a cool little bugger.

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                  I've been eyeing Hull-A for the limited hauling I do but after seeing the Ox I'm starting to think about waiting for that instead. Ship interiors are cool but they aren't useful enough to justify over smaller footprint and simpler cargo area.

                  It really is a cool little bugger.

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                  I rented the hull a a few times but it was never real fun for me to fly. The Ox is a bulky, but surprisingly nimble and I love that you don't have to run around it.

                  Fly to the dropoff, reverse to the freight elevator, either jump out or use the remote turret. First time I bought a ship since my pledge in 2013 or so, but the combination of golem and golem ox is a great mining bundle

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                    I rented the hull a a few times but it was never real fun for me to fly. The Ox is a bulky, but surprisingly nimble and I love that you don't have to run around it.

                    Fly to the dropoff, reverse to the freight elevator, either jump out or use the remote turret. First time I bought a ship since my pledge in 2013 or so, but the combination of golem and golem ox is a great mining bundle

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                    Yeah, for whatever reason Hull-A has worse mobility than RAFT - ship that is almost thrice its size and 6 times heavier. Make it make sense.

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