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  3. So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites?

So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites?

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  • haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
    haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
    haverholm@radikal.social
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    #1

    So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress

    I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.

    #wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
    cc @davidgerard

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    • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

      So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress

      I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.

      #wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
      cc @davidgerard

      Z This user is from outside of this forum
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      zygmyd@toot.cat
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      #2

      @haverholm

      Write HTML. HTML is still there. You don't need anything other than HTML to get started for a link-clicky formatted website.

      Heck, you could even upload .txt files and use direct urls if you felt like it.

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      • Z zygmyd@toot.cat

        @haverholm

        Write HTML. HTML is still there. You don't need anything other than HTML to get started for a link-clicky formatted website.

        Heck, you could even upload .txt files and use direct urls if you felt like it.

        oblomov@sociale.networkO This user is from outside of this forum
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        oblomov@sociale.network
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        @zygmyd @haverholm fedi-enabling plain HTML is nontrivial

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        • Z zygmyd@toot.cat

          @haverholm

          Write HTML. HTML is still there. You don't need anything other than HTML to get started for a link-clicky formatted website.

          Heck, you could even upload .txt files and use direct urls if you felt like it.

          haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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          @zygmyd While I agree about sticking to the basics when it comes to making a small, new website with no federating features β€” I'm co-admin'ing a 15 years old site with 2,500 posts, 3,300 comments, 4,500 images, and 260 podcast episodes.

          And, as I put in my original post, federation capabilities preferred. I think the .txt approach comes up short for this case.

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          • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

            So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress

            I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.

            #wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
            cc @davidgerard

            julian@activitypub.spaceJ This user is from outside of this forum
            julian@activitypub.spaceJ This user is from outside of this forum
            julian@activitypub.space
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            @haverholm@radikal.social how about Ghost?

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            • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

              So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress

              I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.

              #wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
              cc @davidgerard

              nspsegal@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
              nspsegal@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
              nspsegal@mastodon.social
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              #6

              @haverholm I'm glad you asked because I was wondering the same thing. Yesterday I posted about how infuriating it was to spend hours doing normal tasks and after I finally got a blog post up, Wordpress sent me a questionnaire asking how they could improve it. I told them to get rid of AI and read Ed Zitron and Cory Doctorow. Or I suggested they offer the old non-AI version as a option. Here's something I wrote about AI:
              proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11the-microsoft-doom-loop/

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              • nspsegal@mastodon.socialN nspsegal@mastodon.social

                @haverholm I'm glad you asked because I was wondering the same thing. Yesterday I posted about how infuriating it was to spend hours doing normal tasks and after I finally got a blog post up, Wordpress sent me a questionnaire asking how they could improve it. I told them to get rid of AI and read Ed Zitron and Cory Doctorow. Or I suggested they offer the old non-AI version as a option. Here's something I wrote about AI:
                proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11the-microsoft-doom-loop/

                haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                @nspsegal I think there's a slash missing in your URL: https://proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11/the-microsoft-doom-loop/ Giving it a read now.

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                • haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @julian Could be. How far along is their fediverse implementation?

                  Also, do you have experience migrating large-ish sites from one to the other? Because I'm involved with one group blog that would need to have 15 years or so worth of posts and podcast series moved from an ancient WP install...

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                  • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                    @nspsegal I think there's a slash missing in your URL: https://proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11/the-microsoft-doom-loop/ Giving it a read now.

                    haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @nspsegal Not a bad piece. I try to avoid Microsoft as much as possible, but they deliver infrastructure for my day job. It has been so depressing to follow how they just forced Copilot on *their paying customers*.

                    Suddenly the entire educational institution has implemented guidelines and advice on how students and staff can use "AI" in their work. Not guidelines *against* it, because it has been normalised through the software the workplace provides.

                    See also https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/ai-is-destroying-the-university-and-learning-itself

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                    • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                      @nspsegal Not a bad piece. I try to avoid Microsoft as much as possible, but they deliver infrastructure for my day job. It has been so depressing to follow how they just forced Copilot on *their paying customers*.

                      Suddenly the entire educational institution has implemented guidelines and advice on how students and staff can use "AI" in their work. Not guidelines *against* it, because it has been normalised through the software the workplace provides.

                      See also https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/ai-is-destroying-the-university-and-learning-itself

                      haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @nspsegal Me, I dodge the bullet by using Linux and open source software. So far, LibreOffice hasn't drunk the "AI" kool aid.

                      Wordpress straying down that path is not a great sign of things to come, but I remain hopeful of a not entirely idiotic future.

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                      • morph@morphnet.deM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        morph@morphnet.de
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                        @julian @haverholm
                        Hubzilla is an option, too.

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                        • morph@morphnet.deM morph@morphnet.de

                          @julian @haverholm
                          Hubzilla is an option, too.

                          haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                          haverholm@radikal.social
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                          @morph @julian My first reaction is that Hubzilla is more slanted toward the federation part than the blog and site building focus of WP, but actually β€” that's not a drawback. Yeah, I'll have to give it a try.

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                          • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                            @morph @julian My first reaction is that Hubzilla is more slanted toward the federation part than the blog and site building focus of WP, but actually β€” that's not a drawback. Yeah, I'll have to give it a try.

                            morph@morphnet.deM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            morph@morphnet.de
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                            @haverholm @julian
                            It's indeed usable as CMS. There's of course not that supply of themes and fancy stuff like for WP.

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                            • morph@morphnet.deM morph@morphnet.de

                              @haverholm @julian
                              It's indeed usable as CMS. There's of course not that supply of themes and fancy stuff like for WP.

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                              haverholm@radikal.social
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                              @morph TBF most of the WP themes are bloated frameworks anyway. @julian

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                              • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                                @morph TBF most of the WP themes are bloated frameworks anyway. @julian

                                morph@morphnet.deM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                morph@morphnet.de
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                                @haverholm @julian
                                I saw some amazing sites people have built on their Hubs.

                                BTW ... what is the magic that this thread is located in the activitypub.space #nodebb forum? Didn't the conversation start with a common Mastodon post?

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                                • morph@morphnet.deM morph@morphnet.de

                                  @haverholm @julian
                                  I saw some amazing sites people have built on their Hubs.

                                  BTW ... what is the magic that this thread is located in the activitypub.space #nodebb forum? Didn't the conversation start with a common Mastodon post?

                                  haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  haverholm@radikal.social
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                                  @morph Re: magic sauce β€” I think it's as simple as me using the ActivityPub hashtag in the original mastodon post? I can't say for certain, just a guess.

                                  Or maybe @julian commenting pulled in the thread? Federation, guys. It's weird and wonderful.

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                                  • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                                    @morph Re: magic sauce β€” I think it's as simple as me using the ActivityPub hashtag in the original mastodon post? I can't say for certain, just a guess.

                                    Or maybe @julian commenting pulled in the thread? Federation, guys. It's weird and wonderful.

                                    morph@morphnet.deM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    morph@morphnet.de
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                                    @haverholm @julian
                                    Indeed it is. Viva La FΓΆderation! πŸ––πŸ»

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                                    • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                                      @morph Re: magic sauce β€” I think it's as simple as me using the ActivityPub hashtag in the original mastodon post? I can't say for certain, just a guess.

                                      Or maybe @julian commenting pulled in the thread? Federation, guys. It's weird and wonderful.

                                      haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      haverholm@radikal.social
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                                      #18

                                      @morph I hadn't even seen the forum post version until you mentioned it. Below my toot it says "[#]activitypub shared this topic about _ hours ago", so I suppose it is in fact an automated, hashtag based aggregation? @julian

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                                      • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                                        @morph I hadn't even seen the forum post version until you mentioned it. Below my toot it says "[#]activitypub shared this topic about _ hours ago", so I suppose it is in fact an automated, hashtag based aggregation? @julian

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                                        haverholm@radikal.social
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                                        @morph @julian They haven't federated my edit to the post, though. Now I will always be remembered as the guy who can't tell "to" from "too" 🀣

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                                        • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                                          @morph @julian They haven't federated my edit to the post, though. Now I will always be remembered as the guy who can't tell "to" from "too" 🀣

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                                          julian@activitypub.space
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                                          @haverholm@radikal.social @morph@morphnet.de heheh yes you're looking at NodeBB, a forum that speaks ActivityPub!

                                          It pulled in your thread because you used the ActivityPub hashtag. πŸ™‚

                                          It didn't get your update because I don't follow you πŸ₯²

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