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  3. So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites?

So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites?

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  • oblomov@sociale.networkO oblomov@sociale.network

    @zygmyd @haverholm fedi-enabling plain HTML is nontrivial

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    zygmyd@toot.cat
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    #7

    @oblomov @haverholm

    I'm presuming at this point that you mean something more complex than pasting a URL in a mastodon post, but it sounds like any of the other alternatives will be better at this than me. =D

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    • woe2you@toot.walesW woe2you@toot.wales

      @haverholm @davidgerard Classicpress was pretty decent last time I tried it. As a bonus you also get to avoid the godawful block editor with its mystery meat interface.

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      @woe2you LOL, yeah. I know the block editor was what launched ClassicPress to begin with!

      I'll be honest, part of me would've probably forked WP before v3, when it was just a lean little blog engine. @davidgerard

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      • Z zygmyd@toot.cat

        @oblomov @haverholm

        I'm presuming at this point that you mean something more complex than pasting a URL in a mastodon post, but it sounds like any of the other alternatives will be better at this than me. =D

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        #9

        @zygmyd @oblomov Yeah... I don't see hand coding HTML as a real alternative for most WP users, and would consider "fedi-enabling HTML" nontrivial for them (for instance, me) as well.

        But what I hear you say is that it's *possible*, which is encouraging. Just not quite viable for the use case.

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        • haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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          #10

          @coop I mentioned write.as in my toot; @writefreely is of course the software running that site (and others). Thanks for the correction 😉

          I called them 'ascetic', because WP and its host of themes seem more accommodating for image content and customisation. But the writefreelies may still be a viable alternative, with some extra work.

          And another vote for Ghost. Will give that a more serious look, too.

          @davidgerard

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          • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

            So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress

            I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.

            #wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
            cc @davidgerard

            julian@activitypub.spaceJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            julian@activitypub.space
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            @haverholm@radikal.social how about Ghost?

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            • metaning@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @manualdousuario @haverholm @davidgerard Anyone have a link to a good noob guide to options for posting from a WP install to a mastodon account... like a way to make a dedicated category that perhaps doesn't get included in the home page or rss feed (can do that with functions.php already)?

              Or, does anyone have a self-hostable masto version, that can work within the scale of resource use of WP, perhaps with no global feed, just for a single user to read and post?

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              • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress

                I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.

                #wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
                cc @davidgerard

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                @haverholm @davidgerard nobody asked for Gutenberg and nobody asked for this

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                • metaning@mastodon.socialM metaning@mastodon.social

                  @manualdousuario @haverholm @davidgerard Anyone have a link to a good noob guide to options for posting from a WP install to a mastodon account... like a way to make a dedicated category that perhaps doesn't get included in the home page or rss feed (can do that with functions.php already)?

                  Or, does anyone have a self-hostable masto version, that can work within the scale of resource use of WP, perhaps with no global feed, just for a single user to read and post?

                  haverholm@radikal.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #14

                  @metaning Read the room, please. @manualdousuario @davidgerard

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                  • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                    @metaning Read the room, please. @manualdousuario @davidgerard

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                    #15

                    @haverholm @manualdousuario @davidgerard Yes, it contains people who don't like the new WP direction (and are talking about alternate fediverse WP posting bridges). I'm still on 4.x and probably going to migrate to ClassicPress, because Gutenberg is a flaming bag of excrement. Hence why asking.

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                    • metaning@mastodon.socialM metaning@mastodon.social

                      @haverholm @manualdousuario @davidgerard Yes, it contains people who don't like the new WP direction (and are talking about alternate fediverse WP posting bridges). I'm still on 4.x and probably going to migrate to ClassicPress, because Gutenberg is a flaming bag of excrement. Hence why asking.

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                      @metaning @manualdousuario @davidgerard And I reply, again, this is not the right thread to ask.

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                      • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                        So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress

                        I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.

                        #wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
                        cc @davidgerard

                        nspsegal@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        nspsegal@mastodon.social
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                        #17

                        @haverholm I'm glad you asked because I was wondering the same thing. Yesterday I posted about how infuriating it was to spend hours doing normal tasks and after I finally got a blog post up, Wordpress sent me a questionnaire asking how they could improve it. I told them to get rid of AI and read Ed Zitron and Cory Doctorow. Or I suggested they offer the old non-AI version as a option. Here's something I wrote about AI:
                        proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11the-microsoft-doom-loop/

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                        • nspsegal@mastodon.socialN nspsegal@mastodon.social

                          @haverholm I'm glad you asked because I was wondering the same thing. Yesterday I posted about how infuriating it was to spend hours doing normal tasks and after I finally got a blog post up, Wordpress sent me a questionnaire asking how they could improve it. I told them to get rid of AI and read Ed Zitron and Cory Doctorow. Or I suggested they offer the old non-AI version as a option. Here's something I wrote about AI:
                          proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11the-microsoft-doom-loop/

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                          #18

                          @nspsegal I think there's a slash missing in your URL: https://proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11/the-microsoft-doom-loop/ Giving it a read now.

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                            @julian Could be. How far along is their fediverse implementation?

                            Also, do you have experience migrating large-ish sites from one to the other? Because I'm involved with one group blog that would need to have 15 years or so worth of posts and podcast series moved from an ancient WP install...

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                            • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                              @nspsegal I think there's a slash missing in your URL: https://proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11/the-microsoft-doom-loop/ Giving it a read now.

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                              @nspsegal Not a bad piece. I try to avoid Microsoft as much as possible, but they deliver infrastructure for my day job. It has been so depressing to follow how they just forced Copilot on *their paying customers*.

                              Suddenly the entire educational institution has implemented guidelines and advice on how students and staff can use "AI" in their work. Not guidelines *against* it, because it has been normalised through the software the workplace provides.

                              See also https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/ai-is-destroying-the-university-and-learning-itself

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                              • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                                @nspsegal Not a bad piece. I try to avoid Microsoft as much as possible, but they deliver infrastructure for my day job. It has been so depressing to follow how they just forced Copilot on *their paying customers*.

                                Suddenly the entire educational institution has implemented guidelines and advice on how students and staff can use "AI" in their work. Not guidelines *against* it, because it has been normalised through the software the workplace provides.

                                See also https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/ai-is-destroying-the-university-and-learning-itself

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                                @nspsegal Me, I dodge the bullet by using Linux and open source software. So far, LibreOffice hasn't drunk the "AI" kool aid.

                                Wordpress straying down that path is not a great sign of things to come, but I remain hopeful of a not entirely idiotic future.

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                                  morph@morphnet.de
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                                  @julian @haverholm
                                  Hubzilla is an option, too.

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                                  • morph@morphnet.deM morph@morphnet.de

                                    @julian @haverholm
                                    Hubzilla is an option, too.

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                                    #23

                                    @morph @julian My first reaction is that Hubzilla is more slanted toward the federation part than the blog and site building focus of WP, but actually — that's not a drawback. Yeah, I'll have to give it a try.

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                                    • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                                      @morph @julian My first reaction is that Hubzilla is more slanted toward the federation part than the blog and site building focus of WP, but actually — that's not a drawback. Yeah, I'll have to give it a try.

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                                      morph@morphnet.de
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                                      @haverholm @julian
                                      It's indeed usable as CMS. There's of course not that supply of themes and fancy stuff like for WP.

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                                      • morph@morphnet.deM morph@morphnet.de

                                        @haverholm @julian
                                        It's indeed usable as CMS. There's of course not that supply of themes and fancy stuff like for WP.

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                                        @morph TBF most of the WP themes are bloated frameworks anyway. @julian

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                                        • haverholm@radikal.socialH haverholm@radikal.social

                                          @morph TBF most of the WP themes are bloated frameworks anyway. @julian

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                                          @haverholm @julian
                                          I saw some amazing sites people have built on their Hubs.

                                          BTW ... what is the magic that this thread is located in the activitypub.space #nodebb forum? Didn't the conversation start with a common Mastodon post?

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