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M-M-Moopsy.
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In Star Trek, their run-of-the-mill, rarely discussed deflector is doing way more work than anything in the Star Wars universe. The one exception is the world-ender planet lasers which have been a big plot point in too many films and STILL have no plausible means to exist IN THEIR OwN UNIVERSE!
In a universe where magic is real.
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In Star Trek, their run-of-the-mill, rarely discussed deflector is doing way more work than anything in the Star Wars universe. The one exception is the world-ender planet lasers which have been a big plot point in too many films and STILL have no plausible means to exist IN THEIR OwN UNIVERSE!
The one thing Star Wars has over Star Trek is absolutely absurd levels of energy generation and storage. The thing about the construction of light sabers that impresses people in-universe is the Khyber crystal, not power cell running it which apparently is a palm sized terawatt fusion generator. That is why ships like the X-wing are still useful in combat. Even at their size, they can carry enough firepower to punch through a lot of armor and force shields.
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What are you saying?
The crossbow guy shoots 1 out of every 10 times on target! Can the Enterprise to better than that? Do they have something like targeting computers that hit every time?
But well, I have only ever seen people asking about the Enterprise against the Death Star or the Enterprise against a destroyer. On both cases the Enterprise can destroy the ships without even getting in their ranges, of course, but it's more than a pair of smugglers.
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The Falcon is a corvette and the Enterprise is something like a cruiser or a battleship, we're talking apples and oranges here
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the falcon took on worse and had no problems.
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This feels like a bit of a straw-man. In my youthful nonsensical cross-franchise pissing-match days, we pitted the Enterprise versus a Star Destroyer, or at least some other capital ship.
Unless you were asking which one was cooler, in which case the Falcon wins every day and twice on Sunday.
Yah, because you could drive it. Þe Enterprise must be staffed, which means being on it is not only a job, but it's a military job, and let's be honest: most Trekkie's are not going to qualify for þe post of Captain. Which means you're going where someone else wants to go, and doing what someone else wants you to do.
Þe Falcon is Freedom.
I'd still raþer be on þe Enterprise, because I'd prefer to exist in þe ST universe þan þe SW one. But you can never "own" þe Enterprise. You only operate it wiþin a vast military support network.
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the falcon took on worse and had no problems.
But the Enterprise can probably beam Han and Chewy into the void of space if they so desired.
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Yah, because you could drive it. Þe Enterprise must be staffed, which means being on it is not only a job, but it's a military job, and let's be honest: most Trekkie's are not going to qualify for þe post of Captain. Which means you're going where someone else wants to go, and doing what someone else wants you to do.
Þe Falcon is Freedom.
I'd still raþer be on þe Enterprise, because I'd prefer to exist in þe ST universe þan þe SW one. But you can never "own" þe Enterprise. You only operate it wiþin a vast military support network.
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What are you saying?
The crossbow guy shoots 1 out of every 10 times on target! Can the Enterprise to better than that? Do they have something like targeting computers that hit every time?
But well, I have only ever seen people asking about the Enterprise against the Death Star or the Enterprise against a destroyer. On both cases the Enterprise can destroy the ships without even getting in their ranges, of course, but it's more than a pair of smugglers.
But well, I have only ever seen people asking about the Enterprise against the Death Star or the Enterprise against a destroyer. On both cases the Enterprise can destroy the ships without even getting in their ranges, of course
Not just that, but Star Wars ships are effectively unshielded. The enterprise can just use the transporter to send a primed torpedo to their opponent's bridge, or a tractor beam to rip their hull apart.
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Why are people still arguing in the comments. Falcon would be toast before they’d got someone to the turrets.
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I don't think vintage van is apt.
I think I'd go more with the something like a juiced up truck, or maybe hummer.
However, you could make the more apt comparison by sticking with ships.
The falcon was a smugglers' ship, so it would be more like one of those fast cigarette boats drug runners use (or used to at least) rather than a car at all.
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The millennium falcon is shit even in universe
You came in THAT thing??
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I don't think vintage van is apt.
I think I'd go more with the something like a juiced up truck, or maybe hummer.
However, you could make the more apt comparison by sticking with ships.
The falcon was a smugglers' ship, so it would be more like one of those fast cigarette boats drug runners use (or used to at least) rather than a car at all.
A better comparison would be a run down small tramp steamer that someone lives on, slapped guns on, and has smuggling compartments installed against a fully staffed naval ship on a research mission.
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Who wants to burst the bubbles of Star Wars fans?
The Millennium Falcon could not stand up against any of the Star Trek Hero-ships. None of them. Zero, Zultch, Neoni.
- NX01 Enterprise: Might be a fair match due to lack of proper shields, but the NX01 could still one shot The Falcon.
- USS Discovery (either original or "A"): One Shot, Ship literally is a research vessel repurposed for war. it'll still oneshot The Falcon.
- Enterprise (OG or A): One shot. Not even close.
- Enterprise
Wouldn't even need to oneshot you, will disable your weapons and engines and then bring you in to figure out what the fuck you are. - Defiant: Literally built for war. Won't fuck around, one shot.
- DS9: DS9 can one shot the Falcon, but I think DS9 would be a destination for the Falcon.
- Ceritos: Will shoot the Falcon down, and then someone will go "what the fuck was that".
- Protostar: LITERALLY PILOTED BY FREAKIN' TEENAGERS! Would still body the Falcon.
- La Serena: Closest narratively to the Falcon. Might stand a cha...what am I kidding, bodies it.
- Federation headquarters (32nd Century): Bodies it, wouldn't have to because it's surrounded by ships who alone could Body the Falcon.
In fact, every single ship on this list except for maybe the NX01 wouldn't even need to fire a shot because they could just get a transporter lock, and teleport everyone off the ship and then grab it with a tractor beam. Everyone. Han, Chewie, Luke, Leia, Finn, Poe, Rei, everyone. They can be beamed directly to the Brig to make sure they don't do anything stupid, and whoever the captain is (I'm going for Pike because he's my favourite) can some down and be all "Hey, you were firing at my ship with a peashooter, don't worry, it's unharmed, strange ship, doesn't have Warp or shields or anything. You all seem human except for the big guy there, we don't have your species in our database. Want a drink of something? The replicator can make anything you'd like."
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M-M-Moopsy.
Mr Boimler! Beam Moopsy over to that.... thing and let's call it a day. We have a dinner celebration to attend.
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I'm a Trekkie though and through, but I still think the Millenium Falcon wins that battle in a simple one on one.
Username checks out.
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The millennium falcon is shit even in universe
You came in THAT thing??
The star wars universe as a whole is supposed to be in the dark ages after the glory and progress during the High Republic they are stuck/regressed, which is why everything looks like it's cobbled together
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In a universe where magic is real.
Let's be very clear, "magic" exists in StarTrek, too: Q is literal god-level magic. There are telekinetics, empaths, and hiveminds. At least one species has the capacity to mentally create realistic illusions taken from a subject's mind, while others will keep you trapped in your own nightmares for what feels like centuries. Hologram programs are solid and are, multiple times, shown to have the capacity to achieve sapience. In star trek, the magic follows rules. Usually not very well-thought-out, but the feeling that there is an explanation behind any phenomenon is the core conceit of the "exploration" fantasy of Star Trek.
So, saying "in a universe where magic exists" belies the real difference: "in a story where the explanation of phenomena is not a priority, only the spectacle and metaphor of the phenomenon matters."
The giant space lasers are never explained, because their explanation would not suit the desires of the storytellers.
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