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  • benpate@emissary.nodebb.comB This user is from outside of this forum
    benpate@emissary.nodebb.comB This user is from outside of this forum
    benpate@emissary.nodebb.com
    wrote last edited by
    #1

    Please help to take good notes. We will publish them on fediforum.org like we did after previous events.

    Data and Account Portability: ...
    Convener of the session: Dmitri Z. dmitri@social.coop

    Slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SSFrS2ke2tqMZrRUGyIPsOXIfS62qZFu0JcyBVSz9rI/

    Attendees (please add your own name here if you would like to be listed. There is no obligation.)
    Charles Iliya Krempeaux reiver@mastodon.social
    Scott M. Stolz scott@loves.tech scott@codejournal.dev @scott.codejournal.dev
    Raphael Lullis @raphael@communick.com
    bumblefudge.com
    Scott Jenson scottjenson@social.coop
    Ben Pate benpate@mastodon.social
    Nigini Oliveira nigini@social.coop
    Johannes Ernst https://j12t.org j12t@j12t.social @j12t.org
    Ryan Barrett @snarfed.org
    Damon, @damonoutlaw.xyz
    Maho Pacheco mapache@hachyderm.io
    Seth Goldstein phillycodehound@indieweb.social << https://social.sethgoldstein.me
    James Marshall @jamesmarshall@sfba.social
    Evan Prodromou
    Paul Fuxjaeger @cypherhippie@chaos.social
    Cagan Mert Islek, islekcaganmert.me@bsky.brid.gy
    Tom Casavant tom@tomkahe.com
    David Rowley
    Jesse Karmani jesseplusplus@mastodon.social
    Matt Baer @matt@writing.exchange

    Website (if the subject has one): ...

    Notes
    We are trying to do on the Open Social Web what email accomplished

    • You can dowload your emails and contacts and move to another email provider.

    We have tiny windows of portability on Web 2 (and its platforms)

    • sometimes parts of your data
    • but generally they lock in your social graph.

    Can we do better? YES!

    • We want to EXPORT data (not only posts, but also interactions and media), identifiers, as well as the social graph

    • AND IMPORT

    • Automated

    • Dmitry asked developers interested in this to join: https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg/

    • Dmitry: checkout: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.html

    Current efforts:
    - DTI & LOLA: (online portability) https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.html

    Connection with Cory's remedies for enshitification:
    - a core affordance is easy portability between difference service providers!!!

    Q: what are the groups we can contribute to to make this happen?

    • How can we get to having the "migration button" (some service providers are blocked for a lack of clarity on how to move forward)
    • Comment: Hubzilla has implemented a lot of what is been discussed!
    • FEP-c390 - Identity proofs
    • identity is not associated to a server

    A: Roadmap as proposed by Data Portability Work Group

    • FEP-7952

    Q: What is the strucuture of the problem?
    - Export protocol
    - Content addressing/format
    - Identify mapping?
    - Post migration
    - Huge issues for modation
    - ...

    Hubzilla, Streams, Forte, and Mitra are working on a solution:

    Client-side keys
    

    Links
    FEP-7952: Roadmap For Actor and Object Portability (see References section for many relevant FEPs)
    FEP-73cd: Migration User Stories
    FEP-6fcd: Account Export Container Format and FEP-9091: Export Actor Service Endpoint
    FEP-cd47: Federation-friendly Addressing and Deduplication Use-Cases - Content-addressing <> DATA Portability considerations
    FediMOD FIRES tooling for portable/interoperable moderation records (WIP) - re-moderating or checking for moderation history at time of import can use FIRES if exporting/prior server also supports it
    https://erinkissane.com/notes-from-a-mastodon-migration
    https://github.com/tweetback/tweetback
    Identity Proofs - https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/c390/fep-c390.md

    redegelde@mastodon.socialR scott@loves.techS 2 Replies Last reply
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    • benpate@emissary.nodebb.comB benpate@emissary.nodebb.com

      Please help to take good notes. We will publish them on fediforum.org like we did after previous events.

      Data and Account Portability: ...
      Convener of the session: Dmitri Z. dmitri@social.coop

      Slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SSFrS2ke2tqMZrRUGyIPsOXIfS62qZFu0JcyBVSz9rI/

      Attendees (please add your own name here if you would like to be listed. There is no obligation.)
      Charles Iliya Krempeaux reiver@mastodon.social
      Scott M. Stolz scott@loves.tech scott@codejournal.dev @scott.codejournal.dev
      Raphael Lullis @raphael@communick.com
      bumblefudge.com
      Scott Jenson scottjenson@social.coop
      Ben Pate benpate@mastodon.social
      Nigini Oliveira nigini@social.coop
      Johannes Ernst https://j12t.org j12t@j12t.social @j12t.org
      Ryan Barrett @snarfed.org
      Damon, @damonoutlaw.xyz
      Maho Pacheco mapache@hachyderm.io
      Seth Goldstein phillycodehound@indieweb.social << https://social.sethgoldstein.me
      James Marshall @jamesmarshall@sfba.social
      Evan Prodromou
      Paul Fuxjaeger @cypherhippie@chaos.social
      Cagan Mert Islek, islekcaganmert.me@bsky.brid.gy
      Tom Casavant tom@tomkahe.com
      David Rowley
      Jesse Karmani jesseplusplus@mastodon.social
      Matt Baer @matt@writing.exchange

      Website (if the subject has one): ...

      Notes
      We are trying to do on the Open Social Web what email accomplished

      • You can dowload your emails and contacts and move to another email provider.

      We have tiny windows of portability on Web 2 (and its platforms)

      • sometimes parts of your data
      • but generally they lock in your social graph.

      Can we do better? YES!

      • We want to EXPORT data (not only posts, but also interactions and media), identifiers, as well as the social graph

      • AND IMPORT

      • Automated

      • Dmitry asked developers interested in this to join: https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg/

      • Dmitry: checkout: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.html

      Current efforts:
      - DTI & LOLA: (online portability) https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.html

      Connection with Cory's remedies for enshitification:
      - a core affordance is easy portability between difference service providers!!!

      Q: what are the groups we can contribute to to make this happen?

      • How can we get to having the "migration button" (some service providers are blocked for a lack of clarity on how to move forward)
      • Comment: Hubzilla has implemented a lot of what is been discussed!
      • FEP-c390 - Identity proofs
      • identity is not associated to a server

      A: Roadmap as proposed by Data Portability Work Group

      • FEP-7952

      Q: What is the strucuture of the problem?
      - Export protocol
      - Content addressing/format
      - Identify mapping?
      - Post migration
      - Huge issues for modation
      - ...

      Hubzilla, Streams, Forte, and Mitra are working on a solution:

      Client-side keys
      

      Links
      FEP-7952: Roadmap For Actor and Object Portability (see References section for many relevant FEPs)
      FEP-73cd: Migration User Stories
      FEP-6fcd: Account Export Container Format and FEP-9091: Export Actor Service Endpoint
      FEP-cd47: Federation-friendly Addressing and Deduplication Use-Cases - Content-addressing <> DATA Portability considerations
      FediMOD FIRES tooling for portable/interoperable moderation records (WIP) - re-moderating or checking for moderation history at time of import can use FIRES if exporting/prior server also supports it
      https://erinkissane.com/notes-from-a-mastodon-migration
      https://github.com/tweetback/tweetback
      Identity Proofs - https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/c390/fep-c390.md

      redegelde@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
      redegelde@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
      redegelde@mastodon.social
      wrote last edited by
      #2

      @benpate@emissary.nodebb.com @dmitri @reiver @scott@loves.tech @scott@codejournal.dev @scottjenson @benpate @nigini @j12t @mapache @phillycodehound @islekcaganmert.me @tom @jesseplusplus

      What's new in the Open Social Web?

      made for the dutch an #opensouce fediverse connected Facebook alternative. nlsociaal.nl

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      • redegelde@mastodon.socialR redegelde@mastodon.social

        @benpate@emissary.nodebb.com @dmitri @reiver @scott@loves.tech @scott@codejournal.dev @scottjenson @benpate @nigini @j12t @mapache @phillycodehound @islekcaganmert.me @tom @jesseplusplus

        What's new in the Open Social Web?

        made for the dutch an #opensouce fediverse connected Facebook alternative. nlsociaal.nl

        benpate@emissary.nodebb.comB This user is from outside of this forum
        benpate@emissary.nodebb.comB This user is from outside of this forum
        benpate@emissary.nodebb.com
        wrote last edited by
        #3

        Howdy, redegelde@mastodon.social 🙂

        If there's a connection here to the discussion about portable identity, I'm sorry.. I don't understand it from your post.

        Can you please help us with a little more context, or try to keep your replies here on topic?

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        • benpate@emissary.nodebb.comB benpate@emissary.nodebb.com

          Please help to take good notes. We will publish them on fediforum.org like we did after previous events.

          Data and Account Portability: ...
          Convener of the session: Dmitri Z. dmitri@social.coop

          Slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SSFrS2ke2tqMZrRUGyIPsOXIfS62qZFu0JcyBVSz9rI/

          Attendees (please add your own name here if you would like to be listed. There is no obligation.)
          Charles Iliya Krempeaux reiver@mastodon.social
          Scott M. Stolz scott@loves.tech scott@codejournal.dev @scott.codejournal.dev
          Raphael Lullis @raphael@communick.com
          bumblefudge.com
          Scott Jenson scottjenson@social.coop
          Ben Pate benpate@mastodon.social
          Nigini Oliveira nigini@social.coop
          Johannes Ernst https://j12t.org j12t@j12t.social @j12t.org
          Ryan Barrett @snarfed.org
          Damon, @damonoutlaw.xyz
          Maho Pacheco mapache@hachyderm.io
          Seth Goldstein phillycodehound@indieweb.social << https://social.sethgoldstein.me
          James Marshall @jamesmarshall@sfba.social
          Evan Prodromou
          Paul Fuxjaeger @cypherhippie@chaos.social
          Cagan Mert Islek, islekcaganmert.me@bsky.brid.gy
          Tom Casavant tom@tomkahe.com
          David Rowley
          Jesse Karmani jesseplusplus@mastodon.social
          Matt Baer @matt@writing.exchange

          Website (if the subject has one): ...

          Notes
          We are trying to do on the Open Social Web what email accomplished

          • You can dowload your emails and contacts and move to another email provider.

          We have tiny windows of portability on Web 2 (and its platforms)

          • sometimes parts of your data
          • but generally they lock in your social graph.

          Can we do better? YES!

          • We want to EXPORT data (not only posts, but also interactions and media), identifiers, as well as the social graph

          • AND IMPORT

          • Automated

          • Dmitry asked developers interested in this to join: https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg/

          • Dmitry: checkout: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.html

          Current efforts:
          - DTI & LOLA: (online portability) https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.html

          Connection with Cory's remedies for enshitification:
          - a core affordance is easy portability between difference service providers!!!

          Q: what are the groups we can contribute to to make this happen?

          • How can we get to having the "migration button" (some service providers are blocked for a lack of clarity on how to move forward)
          • Comment: Hubzilla has implemented a lot of what is been discussed!
          • FEP-c390 - Identity proofs
          • identity is not associated to a server

          A: Roadmap as proposed by Data Portability Work Group

          • FEP-7952

          Q: What is the strucuture of the problem?
          - Export protocol
          - Content addressing/format
          - Identify mapping?
          - Post migration
          - Huge issues for modation
          - ...

          Hubzilla, Streams, Forte, and Mitra are working on a solution:

          Client-side keys
          

          Links
          FEP-7952: Roadmap For Actor and Object Portability (see References section for many relevant FEPs)
          FEP-73cd: Migration User Stories
          FEP-6fcd: Account Export Container Format and FEP-9091: Export Actor Service Endpoint
          FEP-cd47: Federation-friendly Addressing and Deduplication Use-Cases - Content-addressing <> DATA Portability considerations
          FediMOD FIRES tooling for portable/interoperable moderation records (WIP) - re-moderating or checking for moderation history at time of import can use FIRES if exporting/prior server also supports it
          https://erinkissane.com/notes-from-a-mastodon-migration
          https://github.com/tweetback/tweetback
          Identity Proofs - https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/c390/fep-c390.md

          scott@loves.techS This user is from outside of this forum
          scott@loves.techS This user is from outside of this forum
          scott@loves.tech
          wrote last edited by
          #4
          @benpate Check the notes again please. I added a whole section on Hubzilla.
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          • redegelde@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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            @benpate sorry, will do that

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