Kagi (paid search engine): "Peertube results now show up in regular searches, plus you can filter by "source" to see more Peertube content."
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Uh, what a weird message. It's not only unrelated to what I said but it reads like an attempt to twist my words. On top of it, it's totally wrong: Lemmy is free. I can self host Lemmy on a raspberry pi for exactly 0€.
The instance I use... Is also free. I donate because I choose to, but if my friend can't afford to donate they can still use the instance. Nobody is profiting from it.
What I did talk about is products and doing business with corporations. With Lemmy there's no product, whether you pay or not. With SearxNG (which many people self host, and again, is free) you're not the product, regardless of how much you pay.
That's what I was replying to - your comment is way off the mark and very condescending: I don't need to be mansplained that I should donate to the software I already donate to. Note donate rather than pay for.
Lemmy is free. I can self host Lemmy on a raspberry pi for exactly 0€.
Dang, where can I get a free Raspberry Pi and internet connection? That sounds awesome!
The instance I use... Is also free. I donate because I choose to, but if my friend can't afford to donate they can still use the instance. Nobody is profiting from it.
This is exactly my point. It's like when people call it "free healthcare".
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Log into browser extension with kagi account
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generate tokens
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use said tokens
How does this ensure privacy? The tokens are associated to your account from the start.
There’s a link in the second paragraph to the technical details, including source code for the implementation and documentation for the required infrastructure.
But the tl;dr is that the tokens aren’t associated to your account. Unless you were able to snoop on the original request that generated the tokens (in which case, you’ve got bigger issues!), there’s no way to prove that a token is related to a specific account. A token only proves that an authorization server once granted access to some account.
Edit: Wikipedia has a good intro:
Non-interactive zero-knowledge proofs are cryptographic primitives, where information between a prover and a verifier can be authenticated by the prover, without revealing any of the specific information beyond the validity of the statement itself.
Edit 2: You should not be catching downvotes. You had a reasonable question.
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Lemmy is free. I can self host Lemmy on a raspberry pi for exactly 0€.
Dang, where can I get a free Raspberry Pi and internet connection? That sounds awesome!
The instance I use... Is also free. I donate because I choose to, but if my friend can't afford to donate they can still use the instance. Nobody is profiting from it.
This is exactly my point. It's like when people call it "free healthcare".
Don't run it on a raspberry pi, run it on the same computer you use to access the Google search you call "free".
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Don't run it on a raspberry pi, run it on the same computer you use to access the Google search you call "free".
My computer isn't free, nor is my internet connection.
When did I call Google searches "free"?
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I use Yandex a lot now for not censoring me. Maybe I'll have to try this.
It is funny to see people relentlessness stanning a paid service that's built on a notoriously fraud prone crypto stack, then getting paranoid about something about as sophisticated as Lexus Nexus because it's hosted out of Evil Country.
I hope nobody here bothers to interogate where their torrents are being hosted from too closely.
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“Paid search engine” <— no thanks.
I love to mock people who use the library by shouting "If you're not the payer then you're the product!"
Westerners are so baby-brained on this shit. Kagi can take your money and still spy on you. Yandex can not take your money and still not bother caching your search history, because there's no good way for them to monetize it. Nevermind GitHub or Wikipedia or literally any other public good being hosted on any website anywhere.
The delusion that you're safe using a free service is matched only by the delusion that you're protected because you paid someone money.
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My computer isn't free, nor is my internet connection.
When did I call Google searches "free"?
Exhausting. If you don't consider anything in the world is free, why did you bother saying Lemmy isn't free?
Plus this argument is rubbish, it's like saying "my car isn't free, nor is the road, nor is my petrol, so the beach isn't free".
Just because you have to buy clothes to go out for a walk, it doesn't make it any less free.
What are you trying to argue here? That the term "free" shouldn't exist because in a capitalist society everything has dependencies? (I still don't get how that relates to my original post which was purely about doing business with corporations).
Then fine, Lemmy isn't free, neither is the sun, or going for a walk. You win. Good day sir.
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Exhausting. If you don't consider anything in the world is free, why did you bother saying Lemmy isn't free?
Plus this argument is rubbish, it's like saying "my car isn't free, nor is the road, nor is my petrol, so the beach isn't free".
Just because you have to buy clothes to go out for a walk, it doesn't make it any less free.
What are you trying to argue here? That the term "free" shouldn't exist because in a capitalist society everything has dependencies? (I still don't get how that relates to my original post which was purely about doing business with corporations).
Then fine, Lemmy isn't free, neither is the sun, or going for a walk. You win. Good day sir.
You really only think in black and white, huh?
Sad.
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You really only think in black and white, huh?
Sad.
Yes I do. I'm totally the one who can't understand that "free" is a nuanced concept and something can be free when there are costs but they are externalised.
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Yes I do. I'm totally the one who can't understand that "free" is a nuanced concept and something can be free when there are costs but they are externalised.
And yet you can't fathom the difference between hosting and maintaining something, versus consuming something.
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And yet you can't fathom the difference between hosting and maintaining something, versus consuming something.
Enlighten me, why do you think I can't tell the difference? Is it because as a maintainer I want to provide something for free? Do you see "consumers" of free content as leeches?
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Enlighten me, why do you think I can't tell the difference? Is it because as a maintainer I want to provide something for free? Do you see "consumers" of free content as leeches?
Because you think hosting Lemmy yourself is the same monetary cost as doing a Google search.
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Because you think hosting Lemmy yourself is the same monetary cost as doing a Google search.
You're funny.
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You're funny.
What I actually think is that your mind reading skills are terrible because I never said anything even remotely similar to that.Don't run it on a raspberry pi, run it on the same computer you use to access the Google search you are happy to call "free".
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Don't run it on a raspberry pi, run it on the same computer you use to access the Google search you are happy to call "free".
I (rather obviously) am talking there about the Google search service, not a single query, as Google doesn't disappear after a single query.
I'm not sure what you're pointing at though? Surely hosting Google search is more expensive than hosting Lemmy when you're insinuating otherwise?
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I (rather obviously) am talking there about the Google search service, not a single query, as Google doesn't disappear after a single query.
I'm not sure what you're pointing at though? Surely hosting Google search is more expensive than hosting Lemmy when you're insinuating otherwise?
Surely hosting Google search is more expensive than hosting Lemmy when you're insinuating otherwise?
You've got it backwards.
How do I host Lemmy on my iPhone? How do I host it on a Library computer?
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Surely hosting Google search is more expensive than hosting Lemmy when you're insinuating otherwise?
You've got it backwards.
How do I host Lemmy on my iPhone? How do I host it on a Library computer?
You can host lemmy on an Android phone but not on an iPhone, which is pretty locked down - you'd have to convince Tim Cook to open the OS.
You can install it fairly easily on a library computer as long as you get permission from the library. You can't install things on computers you don't have admin rights to; other examples of computers you can't use to host Lemmy are an ATM on the street, a self checkout machine at the supermarket, or the cockpit computer of an Airbus A350.
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You can host lemmy on an Android phone but not on an iPhone, which is pretty locked down - you'd have to convince Tim Cook to open the OS.
You can install it fairly easily on a library computer as long as you get permission from the library. You can't install things on computers you don't have admin rights to; other examples of computers you can't use to host Lemmy are an ATM on the street, a self checkout machine at the supermarket, or the cockpit computer of an Airbus A350.
So I'd have to spend money on additional equipment, is what you're saying.
Which is not true of using Google.
Get it yet?
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So I'd have to spend money on additional equipment, is what you're saying.
Which is not true of using Google.
Get it yet?
You're still missing the point, you're comparing hosting vs using.
If you wanted to host Google, you'd have to spend a fuckton of money on servers. If you want to host Lemmy, it's unfortunate that you don't own a computer (this puts things into perspective) but the requirements are absolutely minimal.
If you want to use Google, you have to pay the same as for using Lemmy, or searxNG, zero. However with Google you will pay with your data, whereas with SearxNG you have the option to donate, and the option to self host, if you choose. You don't have the option to self-host something like Google unless your last name is something like Bezos.
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You're still missing the point, you're comparing hosting vs using.
If you wanted to host Google, you'd have to spend a fuckton of money on servers. If you want to host Lemmy, it's unfortunate that you don't own a computer (this puts things into perspective) but the requirements are absolutely minimal.
If you want to use Google, you have to pay the same as for using Lemmy, or searxNG, zero. However with Google you will pay with your data, whereas with SearxNG you have the option to donate, and the option to self host, if you choose. You don't have the option to self-host something like Google unless your last name is something like Bezos.
We're only talking about hosting because you offered it up as a way of accessing it for "free".
If you want to use Google, you have to pay the same as for using Lemmy, or searxNG, zero.
Nope. With Google, you pay with your data. With Lemmy or SearxNG, you pay with money, or you enjoy the benefits of socializing the cost (just like "free" healthcare)
Neither are free.
