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  • rimu@piefed.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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    I'm going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user's home instance.

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    Navigator: registerProtocolHandler() method - Web APIs | MDN

    The Navigator method registerProtocolHandler() lets websites register their ability to open or handle particular URL schemes (also known as protocols).

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    MDN Web Docs (developer.mozilla.org)

    Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I'm thinking web+fedi.

    mimic_kry@sh.itjust.worksM julian@community.nodebb.orgJ evan@cosocial.caE die4ever@retrolemmy.comD silverpill@mitra.socialS 5 Replies Last reply
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    • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

      I'm going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user's home instance.

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      Navigator: registerProtocolHandler() method - Web APIs | MDN

      The Navigator method registerProtocolHandler() lets websites register their ability to open or handle particular URL schemes (also known as protocols).

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      MDN Web Docs (developer.mozilla.org)

      Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I'm thinking web+fedi.

      mimic_kry@sh.itjust.worksM This user is from outside of this forum
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      mimic_kry@sh.itjust.works
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      #2

      Too soo-...wait what fucking year is it

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      • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

        I'm going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user's home instance.

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        Navigator: registerProtocolHandler() method - Web APIs | MDN

        The Navigator method registerProtocolHandler() lets websites register their ability to open or handle particular URL schemes (also known as protocols).

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        MDN Web Docs (developer.mozilla.org)

        Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I'm thinking web+fedi.

        julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
        julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        rimu@piefed.social interesting idea... I know Evan has some thoughts about this as part of his ActivityPub HTML discovery project

        ActivityPub Discovery

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        (swicg.github.io)

        I am not sure why they did not settle on protocol handlers but I've tagged him for comment

        evan@activitypub.space evan@cosocial.ca

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        • julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          The concept sounds excellent, although there is fairly limited mobile support.

          Since NodeBB is an installable PWA it would be definitely nice to have it supported there as well.

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          • tchambers@indieweb.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @julian I write about this here: near zero mobile browser support but strong desktop browser support- and I suggest a JavaScript fallback for the others …. https://www.timothychambers.net/2025/06/24/the-seven-deadly-fediverse-ux.html

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            • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

              I'm going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user's home instance.

              Link Preview Image
              Navigator: registerProtocolHandler() method - Web APIs | MDN

              The Navigator method registerProtocolHandler() lets websites register their ability to open or handle particular URL schemes (also known as protocols).

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              MDN Web Docs (developer.mozilla.org)

              Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I'm thinking web+fedi.

              evan@cosocial.caE This user is from outside of this forum
              evan@cosocial.caE This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @rimu web+acct

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              • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

                I'm going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user's home instance.

                Link Preview Image
                Navigator: registerProtocolHandler() method - Web APIs | MDN

                The Navigator method registerProtocolHandler() lets websites register their ability to open or handle particular URL schemes (also known as protocols).

                favicon

                MDN Web Docs (developer.mozilla.org)

                Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I'm thinking web+fedi.

                die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                It's a good idea, but fedi is maybe too broad to be useful? I wouldn't want a Lemmy post to open in Mastodon, and pretty sure opening a Mastodon post in Lemmy is impossible unless the post was directed to a community.

                web+threadiverse could solve that issue but that's kinda hacky. Maybe the real solution is to improve Lemmy and Mastodon so that they are capable of doing these things decently.

                I was actually thinking of making a browser extension that handles this instead. Each Fediverse software could write something to window.fediverse or something like that, with tags for group support or micro blogging. The extension could have methods to infer these values for existing platforms. But the extension could give a dialog box to redirect, based on your preferred instances for certain tags.

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                • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                  @rimu web+acct

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                  #8

                  What does acct stand for?

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                  • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

                    What does acct stand for?

                    evan@cosocial.caE This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @Die4Ever

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                    RFC 7565: The 'acct' URI Scheme

                    The 'acct' URI Scheme (RFC 7565, )

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                    IETF Datatracker (datatracker.ietf.org)

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                    • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

                      I'm going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user's home instance.

                      Link Preview Image
                      Navigator: registerProtocolHandler() method - Web APIs | MDN

                      The Navigator method registerProtocolHandler() lets websites register their ability to open or handle particular URL schemes (also known as protocols).

                      favicon

                      MDN Web Docs (developer.mozilla.org)

                      Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I'm thinking web+fedi.

                      silverpill@mitra.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                      silverpill@mitra.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @rimu

                      web+ap, which was proposed by Fedilink authors. To my knowledge, it is the most widely adopted proposal

                      Fedi Links

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                      (web.archive.org)

                      (the main site seems to be offline now)

                      cc @SoniEx2

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                      • silverpill@mitra.socialS silverpill@mitra.social

                        @rimu

                        web+ap, which was proposed by Fedilink authors. To my knowledge, it is the most widely adopted proposal

                        Fedi Links

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                        (web.archive.org)

                        (the main site seems to be offline now)

                        cc @SoniEx2

                        julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        Are there implementors of web+ap? I'd be interested in adopting.

                        I assume the fallback behaviour is to just assume https?

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                          @julian Fedilinks website lists 3 MastoAPI clients, but the list is incomplete. I saw Fedilinks being mentioned in changelogs of other clients too.

                          There was also an Akkoma PR, it was closed by the author: https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/pulls/589. I don't quite understand the reasoning, perhaps @smitten could clarify.

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                          • silverpill@mitra.socialS silverpill@mitra.social

                            @julian Fedilinks website lists 3 MastoAPI clients, but the list is incomplete. I saw Fedilinks being mentioned in changelogs of other clients too.

                            There was also an Akkoma PR, it was closed by the author: https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/pulls/589. I don't quite understand the reasoning, perhaps @smitten could clarify.

                            julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            The PR comments suggest that making the various changes to the backend were too large to justify, and a front-end only approach would be preferred? smitten@key.portend.place

                            It raises a good point though, where if you serve web+ap://, it's not understood by clients that are not aware of this scheme. If there were a way a client could communicate whether there is a protocol handler registered, then the server could tailor its response.

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                              Glad to see more people having this idea! The problems we ran into were in helping the browser understand the address and know where to forward. Each server implements lookup routes differently, so there's not necessarily a generic path that you can trust is available on https on the person's home server, even if you know their home server origin. So in some ways the feature should be offered by your home server software, maybe offering a website that does the handler registration to its known lookup/redirect address.

                              But that is limiting in a few ways. It's a lot of extra steps for each person to do (browsers' default UI for registering protocols is not obvious or easy). It doesn't carry over to different devices, and if you have more than one home server in some way, you are back dealing with that not-great browser UI to pick which handler you want.

                              In general people are more accustomed to registering protocols to apps they have installed, especially phone apps. It's much easier to register them there and you don't have to have approval flow UI, but taking that approach moves this whole served handler route out of the backend again, so we have to start thinking more along the lines of web+ap-compatible servers that handler clients know how to call or bounce to.

                              @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social @SoniEx2@chaos.social @rimu@piefed.social

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                              • smitten_@key.portend.placeS smitten_@key.portend.place

                                Glad to see more people having this idea! The problems we ran into were in helping the browser understand the address and know where to forward. Each server implements lookup routes differently, so there's not necessarily a generic path that you can trust is available on https on the person's home server, even if you know their home server origin. So in some ways the feature should be offered by your home server software, maybe offering a website that does the handler registration to its known lookup/redirect address.

                                But that is limiting in a few ways. It's a lot of extra steps for each person to do (browsers' default UI for registering protocols is not obvious or easy). It doesn't carry over to different devices, and if you have more than one home server in some way, you are back dealing with that not-great browser UI to pick which handler you want.

                                In general people are more accustomed to registering protocols to apps they have installed, especially phone apps. It's much easier to register them there and you don't have to have approval flow UI, but taking that approach moves this whole served handler route out of the backend again, so we have to start thinking more along the lines of web+ap-compatible servers that handler clients know how to call or bounce to.

                                @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social @SoniEx2@chaos.social @rimu@piefed.social

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                                #15

                                Also I want to highlight this excellent comment by Yumechi about fingerprinting and de-anonymization risks.

                                https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-07d7-a-custom-url-scheme-and-web-based-protocol-handlers-for-linking-to-activitypub-resources/3588/53

                                @SoniEx2@chaos.social @silverpill@mitra.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @rimu@piefed.social

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                                • smitten_@key.portend.placeS smitten_@key.portend.place

                                  Also I want to highlight this excellent comment by Yumechi about fingerprinting and de-anonymization risks.

                                  https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-07d7-a-custom-url-scheme-and-web-based-protocol-handlers-for-linking-to-activitypub-resources/3588/53

                                  @SoniEx2@chaos.social @silverpill@mitra.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @rimu@piefed.social

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                                  @smitten_ Do you know what is the status of Fedlilinks? Has it been abandoned?
                                  FEP-07d7 was withdrawn, and other proposals have even less support than these two.

                                  @SoniEx2 @julian @rimu @activitypub

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                                  • tchambers@indieweb.socialT tchambers@indieweb.social

                                    @julian I write about this here: near zero mobile browser support but strong desktop browser support- and I suggest a JavaScript fallback for the others …. https://www.timothychambers.net/2025/06/24/the-seven-deadly-fediverse-ux.html

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                                    @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

                                    Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

                                    The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

                                    silverpill@mitra.socialS julian@community.nodebb.orgJ smitten_@key.portend.placeS julian@activitypub.spaceJ 4 Replies Last reply
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                                    • rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nzR rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz

                                      @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

                                      Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

                                      The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

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                                      @rimu @tchambers @julian

                                      Neat.

                                      @smitten_ Check it out

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                                      • rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nzR rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz

                                        @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

                                        Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

                                        The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

                                        julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz what happens if a browser that doesn't understand protocol handlers encounters this scheme?

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                                        • tchambers@indieweb.socialT tchambers@indieweb.social

                                          @julian I write about this here: near zero mobile browser support but strong desktop browser support- and I suggest a JavaScript fallback for the others …. https://www.timothychambers.net/2025/06/24/the-seven-deadly-fediverse-ux.html

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                                          #20

                                          @tchambers@indieweb.social @julian@community.nodebb.org You're absolutely right about the mobile browsers sadly, but support on mobile apps is good. The UX there is better than it is on desktop browsers too, because it can be registered in the app manifest and doesn't require complicated approval and handler selection flows. People are also more familiar with links that look a certain way opening in their related app, it's just that they expect the behavior at the host level instead of the protocol level.

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