The state of conversational contexts (February 2025)
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@julian Mitra can backfill from Streams and Hubzilla, but it doesn't publish any collections yet.
Streams and Hubzilla have interoperable FEP-171b implementations, but I don't know about pulling the collection. They are more focused on private conversations where backfilling is not needed.
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@julian Mitra can backfill from Streams and Hubzilla, but it doesn't publish any collections yet.
Streams and Hubzilla have interoperable FEP-171b implementations, but I don't know about pulling the collection. They are more focused on private conversations where backfilling is not needed.
@silverpill@mitra.social thank you! I've updated the original post to reflect that now.
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@julian Mitra can backfill from Streams and Hubzilla, but it doesn't publish any collections yet.
Streams and Hubzilla have interoperable FEP-171b implementations, but I don't know about pulling the collection. They are more focused on private conversations where backfilling is not needed.
@silverpill I've yet to see Hubzilla backfill an entire existing thread at once. It does backfill posts from new connections on certain server apps, though. And it sometimes appears to backfill threads bit by bit over prolonged periods.
As for (streams), I can't see inhowfar it backfills because I barely actually follow anyone from there. -
@silverpill I've yet to see Hubzilla backfill an entire existing thread at once. It does backfill posts from new connections on certain server apps, though. And it sometimes appears to backfill threads bit by bit over prolonged periods.
As for (streams), I can't see inhowfar it backfills because I barely actually follow anyone from there.@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu if you're seeing Hubzilla backfill "bit by bit" it is likely doing
inReplyTotraversal, which is what NodeBB does if it cannot find a resolvable context. -
@julian Hubzilla internally backfills via context. Has done so all along. Activitypub content is so far backfilled via
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Thanks for putting this together @julian. I'll be coming to the next Forum WG meeting on March 6 to discuss next steps
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IIRC @kopper@brain.d.on-t.work implemented backfill on Iceshrimp.net, maybe they wanna share their approach.
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IIRC @kopper@brain.d.on-t.work implemented backfill on Iceshrimp.net, maybe they wanna share their approach.
@panos there's nothing i could really add that's anything novel.
we simply recurse through replies collections with plans to load context collections whenever they get more adoption (and whenever i get the motivation to write the code). we already expose context collections of our own -
@panos there's nothing i could really add that's anything novel.
we simply recurse through replies collections with plans to load context collections whenever they get more adoption (and whenever i get the motivation to write the code). we already expose context collections of our own> we already expose context collections of our own
@kopper@brain.d.on-t.work you do? Kick ass. Let me run some tests and see how it performs!
> with plans to load context collections whenever they get more adoption
️Can I put you down under the "wait and see" category?
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@julian I implemented collection of posts in mitra. For now it is only attached to top-level posts (via
context).Here, for example: https://mitra.social/objects/019529ff-7a45-9752-16f2-a3e780746c1c
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Very complicated all this Fediverse stuff! Far from the dream of having one account for everything, I seemed to need an account on every service to get the whole picture. I have now Nodebb, Mastodon, Lemmy, PixelFed and Peertube!
I dont know if Im just not using it properly, or if seeing everything from any one of these site is even possible?
@julian how far off is the prospect of using my nodebb account for all Federated chat, is that even achievable in long term? -
Very complicated all this Fediverse stuff! Far from the dream of having one account for everything, I seemed to need an account on every service to get the whole picture. I have now Nodebb, Mastodon, Lemmy, PixelFed and Peertube!
I dont know if Im just not using it properly, or if seeing everything from any one of these site is even possible?
@julian how far off is the prospect of using my nodebb account for all Federated chat, is that even achievable in long term?@eeeee
From this website, you can follow almost any user account you want on almost any Mastodon-, Lemmy-, mbin-, PixelFed-, Misskey- (and its forks), Hometown-, Friendica-, Hubzilla-, or Mitra-based website, barring a few minor obstacles (neither side needs to have blocked the other, neither side needs to have disabled federation, and the user you're following needs to have not blocked you). You can also follow groups like Lemmy communities, or Guppe groups.There's really no need to have accounts on all platforms. Not unless you want to have separation between what you post, or want the variation in UX that comes with all of these different pieces of software focusing on different core experiences.
What's important to know is that they work via syndication -- content is mirrored across the network, not viewed insitu -- and that syndication doesn't occur without prompting. So, you need to go through the steps of entering a remote user or group's url or full account address (username@host.tld) in order to fetch content, and that content, by and large, is not backfilled.
If you can accept these limitations, then a single Mastodon, mbin, nodeBB, etc. account is all you need.
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From this website, you can follow almost any user account you want on almost any Mastodon-, Lemmy-, mbin-, PixelFed-, Misskey- (and its forks), Hometown-, Friendica-, Hubzilla-, or Mitra-based website, barring a few minor obstacles (neither side needs to have blocked the other, neither side needs to have disabled federation, and the user you're following needs to have not blocked you). You can also follow groups like Lemmy communities, or Guppe groups.There's really no need to have accounts on all platforms. Not unless you want to have separation between what you post, or want the variation in UX that comes with all of these different pieces of software focusing on different core experiences.
What's important to know is that they work via syndication -- content is mirrored across the network, not viewed insitu -- and that syndication doesn't occur without prompting. So, you need to go through the steps of entering a remote user or group's url or full account address (username@host.tld) in order to fetch content, and that content, by and large, is not backfilled.
If you can accept these limitations, then a single Mastodon, mbin, nodeBB, etc. account is all you need.
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@julian "We're making a super cool product that's adopting this space" tends to go over well in the Fediverse, yeah. We love being catered to with cool toys and tools!
And good God do I miss real forums, after a decade on Reddit.
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Ok, if I can give specific example. I found a community via lemmy which is interesting.
@medicine@mander.xyz
If I want to post a topic in it, can I make a nodebb post and send it there? -
Ok, if I can give specific example. I found a community via lemmy which is interesting.
@medicine@mander.xyz
If I want to post a topic in it, can I make a nodebb post and send it there?@eeeee I'm not actually sure about it, but I think all you have to do is mention the community.
In fact, you did in your reply, and I don't actually know what would happen normally. Perhaps it has to be a root post.
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Ok I tried this as as a root post
It didnt get there.
Whereas I can post into that community with my similar named lemm.ee account -
.. in medicine@mander.xyz group nothing arrived
There is a post I made earlier (using isurg@lemm.ee) but not this latest one from isurg@nodebb
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.. in medicine@mander.xyz group nothing arrived
There is a post I made earlier (using isurg@lemm.ee) but not this latest one from isurg@nodebb
@eeeee Thanks, can you open an issue about this? I'll have to see what Lemmy expects for a new submission.
