Is there a Lemmy server/way that doesn't require allowing javascript of a million other servers?

[trinsec@piefed.social]

Just curious, what's the 5% that doesn't work with JS disabled?

[rimu@piefed.social]

Voting, lol. Kinda important.

Dropdown menus. They're not really needed but life sucks without them.

Can't manually switch between dark and light mode (only automatically based on browser settings).

There's probably more but I haven't seriously tried to use PieFed for long without JS. Fundamentally it's built HTML and CSS first, with sprinkles of JS added on for funsies rather than the modern way of being all about JS.

[omegalemmy@discuss.online]

I don't think any exist

[foggy@lemmy.world]

Yesterday:

<nav script="dropdown.js" style="dropdown.css">
  <button onclick="toggleDropdown()">Menu</button>
</nav>

Today:

// index.js
import React from 'react';
import ReactDOM from 'react-dom';
import './global.css';
import App from './App';

ReactDOM.createRoot(document.getElementById('root')).render(<App />);

// App.jsx
import Dropdown from './components/Dropdown';
import './App.css';

export default function App() {
  return (
    <main>
      <Dropdown />
      <p>Hello, world!</p>
    </main>
  );
}

// components/Dropdown.jsx
import { useState } from 'react';
import styles from './Dropdown.module.css';
import ArrowIcon from '../assets/icons/ArrowIcon.jsx';

export default function Dropdown() {
  const [open, setOpen] = useState(false);
  return (
   <div className={styles.dropdown}>
      <button onClick={() => setOpen(!open)}>Menu <ArrowIcon /></button>
      {open && (
        <ul>
          <li>Option 1</li>
          <li>Option 2</li>
        </ul>
      )}
    </div>
  );
}

[bdonvr@thelemmy.club]

thelemmy.club

(old.thelemmy.club)

Unfortunately with Lemmy 1.0 MLMYM (the software used to provide this UI) will have to be shutdown, unless the MLMYM dev re-appears or someone forks and maintains it.

[quazaromega@lemy.lol]

There is Interstellar!

[bdonvr@thelemmy.club]

Some instances host this themselves too.

Voyager for Lemmy

Voyager is a beautiful mobile web client for Lemmy. Enjoy a seamless experience browsing the fediverse.

(app.thelemmy.club)

[nokturne213@sopuli.xyz]

Blorp has a desktop app.

[lostxor@fedia.io]

You don't need JS at all if you get a bit creative with the CSS.

[omegalemmy@discuss.online]

Is it electron? I can't seem to find it outside of Mac, iOS and a test for Android

[shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol]

That way is old and busted, here's the new hotness (anchor positioning).

[blaze@piefed.social]

Hopefully someone will volunteer to make compatible with Lemmy 1.0

[lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org]

This tbh.

I don't understand why is this not he standard for Lemmy and the Fediverse. We got here, among other things, to get away from the kind of crap enabled by JS-first web.

[nothing4you@programming.dev]

doesn't require allowing javascript of a million other servers?

half the images are broken because I’m expected to allow scripts on like 30+ sites to see most of the posts

software like noscript is not exactly beginner friendly. you're expected to understand the impact of your blocking and what you are blocking. the only domain you need to allow JS from on lemmy.world is lemmy.world. standard lemmy-ui does not load any js or css from third party sources, only the domain where lemmy-ui is served. your noscript configuration is blocking the actual images, not javascript that would be required to load images.

edit:

to expand on this, even in tor browser in safest mode, lemmy.world works totally fine when all you do is allow JS from lemmy.world on lemmy.world:

[Guest]

That looks cherry picked or very lucky. Can you show me a screenshot of Firefox with NoScript and allowing only lemmy.world and ANY other image from the first five results of the home page?
My result?
"The American Dream" discuss.online - BROKEN
"We are way overdue for an open source 2d printer" sub.wetshaving.social - BROKEN
"We never stood a chance." ani.social - BROKEN
"literally useless" lemmy.blahaj.zone - BROKEN
"Anime Recommendations" lemmy.dbzer0.com - Works (the one you show)

[nothing4you@programming.dev]

nothing about this is cherry-picking. it's simply how lemmy works. there are no remote js sources. lemmy-ui even sets security headers that prevent loading js from third party domains.

[Guest]

Looks nice is my immediate impression (looking at it with all javascript off, including ). Still would like thumbnails that are the entire image just much smaller, maybe via CSS. The cropping is very misleading on a lot of images. Perhaps one could use css-toggle-switch--not going to try to solution it, and I know last time I checked css wasn't great for it. But the results are notably different from lemmy.world for Active or Top past 12 hours. Not necessarily /bad/, particularly for top posts as they at least have a bit of engagement. But it seems like part of the solution is just don't incorporate results from servers that require javascript. Is it possible (ethical even) to incorporate them, but be a middle-man that saves the user from their javascript?

[Guest]

Which is basically the same as old.reddit.com . Which is great as far as functionality. Squint and you can imagine it would be perfect. Zoom in and it's decent, except the thumbnails now are even more clearly 4-pixel potatoes. Okay, so where's my FOSS firefox extension that works like RES (Reddit Enhancement Suite)? Or, I actually don't need that, just a FOSS firefox extension that takes any old.lemmy and makes the layout look like the new layout, with toggles to turn off anything in the new layout you don't want (e.g. right side bar)? Or, maybe some custom javascript I can save in greasemonkey to make everything zoom 150% and replaces thumbnails with better compressed versions of their expanded versions (make my own thumbnails)?

[Guest]

So, I agree with everything the other responders are saying. Whitelist the primary domain (and maybe a cdn domain that is hopefully nicely labeled) and a decent site should play decently. But it is also that I (generally) know when to pick my battles--or I at least keep my pointless battles to a small scope and fairly sporatic.

I'm asking for a solution to this from the lemmy community, not reddit or a big corposite. They would want a single domain or a few domains for opposite reasons than making the user happy: they would want to control the user experience and ensh**tify via dark patterns. I do not think we should need to blanket allow scripts from dozens of sites just to see images, that's the scope of this mini-battle I do not plan to fight beyond this post. I mention ensh**tification because I just happened to see this https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2025/05/26/Internet-Sucks-Cory-Doctorow/ on this https://old.lemmy.world/?sort=Hot&listingType=All&page=3 (thanks, above suggester for reminding me of old.lemmy).

So open technology like the web is replete with disenshi**ifying add-ons. Ad blockers are running in more than half of all web browsers in the world. It's the most successful consumer boycott in human history, but there are zero ad blockers running in apps, because you have to reverse engineer the app first, and that's illegal under use of Bill C-11 and under the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and Article 6, the copyright directive.

[Note, I censored those letters. I've been told you can swear on the internet, though.] One of my "old man yells at cloud" moments of late is when I have to deal with a very small company forcing an app down my throat when a website will do and the using of that company/service (and thus app) is being forced upon me by outside forces. If it's a small enough company, I will go through too many emails back and forth with their "CTO" telling them why it's a problem and why they should just have an app (a site that, yes, almost certainly would need javascript). Because that's the small act of protest some of us should be doing in my mind. That way the next time someone thinks, hmm, we could just do an app and only offer it, they'll then think, naw, there's going to be that one annoying customer, not worth it. Same with this issue, for me at least. I don't see why we /have/ to run javascript on secondary sites just to have a thumbnail and a resulting image. And I'm posing this, again, on lemmy not reddit. So, consider this my allowing myself a brief moment to yell at a cloud.

[EDIT: Escaped my asterisks. I worried there would be automatic markdown, but I didn't see the Preview button.]