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Is there a Lemmy server/way that doesn't require allowing javascript of a million other servers?

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  • ? Guest

    So, I am one of those old school types who mains with Firefox and Noscript. And also a filthy casual that just goes on lemmy.world. But half the images are broken because I'm expected to allow scripts on like 30+ sites to see most of the posts. I'm literally expected to allow /all/ the scripts from a domain just so I can see a dang picture behind the thumbnail. That's the entirety of the scripting needed. That seems ridiculous. Is there, I don't know, a server/way that makes it so I don't have to blanket allow all these scripts? To put it in meme form (not sure I'm doing it right, never seen the show): "It's an image of a banana Michael, what should it take, one Raspberry Pi running Docker?"

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    mnmalst@lemmy.zip
    wrote last edited by mnmalst@lemmy.zip
    #10

    I use the https://vger.app/ app / front end on mobile AND desktop and as far as I can tell it tunnels the images through their servers, so this is as minimal as you can get in regards to extra requests.

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    • asudox@lemmy.asudox.devA asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev

      I think the old Lemmy alternative frontend supports no JS. But I'm not sure whether the dev is still actively maintaining it: https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym

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      gedaliyah@lemmy.world
      wrote last edited by
      #11

      This is available as old.lemmy.world

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      • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG gedaliyah@lemmy.world

        This is available as old.lemmy.world

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        blaze@piefed.social
        wrote last edited by
        #12
        • https://old.lemmy.zip/
        • https://oldsh.itjust.works/
        • https://old.lemmy.ca/
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        • ? Guest

          So, I am one of those old school types who mains with Firefox and Noscript. And also a filthy casual that just goes on lemmy.world. But half the images are broken because I'm expected to allow scripts on like 30+ sites to see most of the posts. I'm literally expected to allow /all/ the scripts from a domain just so I can see a dang picture behind the thumbnail. That's the entirety of the scripting needed. That seems ridiculous. Is there, I don't know, a server/way that makes it so I don't have to blanket allow all these scripts? To put it in meme form (not sure I'm doing it right, never seen the show): "It's an image of a banana Michael, what should it take, one Raspberry Pi running Docker?"

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          dragnucs@lemmy.ml
          wrote last edited by
          #13

          Look for a desktop app.

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          • ashtear@lemm.eeA ashtear@lemm.ee

            Absolutely. The vast majority of my sites do just fine when whitelisting only the primary domain. I consider it an essential add-on myself.

            Lemmy is one of the few that needs a little babysitting, and it's only for the purpose OP stated.

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            shimitar@downonthestreet.eu
            wrote last edited by
            #14

            Good to know...
            Is it a pleasant experience?

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            • N naught101@lemmy.world

              Yes, you can.

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              shimitar@downonthestreet.eu
              wrote last edited by
              #15

              Yes, I did

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              • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

                Yes.

                PieFed uses very minimal javascript (it 95% works with JS entirely disabled) and you can access all the same communities and posts.

                Try it at https://piefed.social or any of these other instances - https://join.piefed.social/try

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                trinsec@piefed.social
                wrote last edited by
                #16

                Just curious, what's the 5% that doesn't work with JS disabled?

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                • trinsec@piefed.socialT trinsec@piefed.social

                  Just curious, what's the 5% that doesn't work with JS disabled?

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                  rimu@piefed.social
                  wrote last edited by
                  #17

                  Voting, lol. Kinda important.

                  Dropdown menus. They're not really needed but life sucks without them.

                  Can't manually switch between dark and light mode (only automatically based on browser settings).

                  There's probably more but I haven't seriously tried to use PieFed for long without JS. Fundamentally it's built HTML and CSS first, with sprinkles of JS added on for funsies rather than the modern way of being all about JS.

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                  • D dragnucs@lemmy.ml

                    Look for a desktop app.

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                    omegalemmy@discuss.online
                    wrote last edited by
                    #18

                    I don't think any exist

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                    • rimu@piefed.socialR rimu@piefed.social

                      Voting, lol. Kinda important.

                      Dropdown menus. They're not really needed but life sucks without them.

                      Can't manually switch between dark and light mode (only automatically based on browser settings).

                      There's probably more but I haven't seriously tried to use PieFed for long without JS. Fundamentally it's built HTML and CSS first, with sprinkles of JS added on for funsies rather than the modern way of being all about JS.

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                      foggy@lemmy.world
                      wrote last edited by foggy@lemmy.world
                      #19

                      Yesterday:

                      <nav script="dropdown.js" style="dropdown.css">
                        <button onclick="toggleDropdown()">Menu</button>
                      </nav>
                      

                      Today:

                      // index.js
                      import React from 'react';
                      import ReactDOM from 'react-dom';
                      import './global.css';
                      import App from './App';
                      
                      ReactDOM.createRoot(document.getElementById('root')).render(<App />);
                      
                      // App.jsx
                      import Dropdown from './components/Dropdown';
                      import './App.css';
                      
                      export default function App() {
                        return (
                          <main>
                            <Dropdown />
                            <p>Hello, world!</p>
                          </main>
                        );
                      }
                      
                      // components/Dropdown.jsx
                      import { useState } from 'react';
                      import styles from './Dropdown.module.css';
                      import ArrowIcon from '../assets/icons/ArrowIcon.jsx';
                      
                      export default function Dropdown() {
                        const [open, setOpen] = useState(false);
                        return (
                         <div className={styles.dropdown}>
                            <button onClick={() => setOpen(!open)}>Menu <ArrowIcon /></button>
                            {open && (
                              <ul>
                                <li>Option 1</li>
                                <li>Option 2</li>
                              </ul>
                            )}
                          </div>
                        );
                      }
                      
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                      • blaze@piefed.socialB blaze@piefed.social
                        • https://old.lemmy.zip/
                        • https://oldsh.itjust.works/
                        • https://old.lemmy.ca/
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                        bdonvr@thelemmy.club
                        wrote last edited by
                        #20

                        Link Preview Image
                        thelemmy.club

                        favicon

                        (old.thelemmy.club)

                        Unfortunately with Lemmy 1.0 MLMYM (the software used to provide this UI) will have to be shutdown, unless the MLMYM dev re-appears or someone forks and maintains it.

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                        • omegalemmy@discuss.onlineO omegalemmy@discuss.online

                          I don't think any exist

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                          quazaromega@lemy.lol
                          wrote last edited by
                          #21

                          There is Interstellar!

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                          • M mnmalst@lemmy.zip

                            I use the https://vger.app/ app / front end on mobile AND desktop and as far as I can tell it tunnels the images through their servers, so this is as minimal as you can get in regards to extra requests.

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                            bdonvr@thelemmy.club
                            wrote last edited by
                            #22

                            Some instances host this themselves too.

                            Voyager for Lemmy

                            Voyager is a beautiful mobile web client for Lemmy. Enjoy a seamless experience browsing the fediverse.

                            favicon

                            (app.thelemmy.club)

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                            • omegalemmy@discuss.onlineO omegalemmy@discuss.online

                              I don't think any exist

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                              nokturne213@sopuli.xyz
                              wrote last edited by
                              #23

                              Blorp has a desktop app.

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                              • F foggy@lemmy.world

                                Yesterday:

                                <nav script="dropdown.js" style="dropdown.css">
                                  <button onclick="toggleDropdown()">Menu</button>
                                </nav>
                                

                                Today:

                                // index.js
                                import React from 'react';
                                import ReactDOM from 'react-dom';
                                import './global.css';
                                import App from './App';
                                
                                ReactDOM.createRoot(document.getElementById('root')).render(<App />);
                                
                                // App.jsx
                                import Dropdown from './components/Dropdown';
                                import './App.css';
                                
                                export default function App() {
                                  return (
                                    <main>
                                      <Dropdown />
                                      <p>Hello, world!</p>
                                    </main>
                                  );
                                }
                                
                                // components/Dropdown.jsx
                                import { useState } from 'react';
                                import styles from './Dropdown.module.css';
                                import ArrowIcon from '../assets/icons/ArrowIcon.jsx';
                                
                                export default function Dropdown() {
                                  const [open, setOpen] = useState(false);
                                  return (
                                   <div className={styles.dropdown}>
                                      <button onClick={() => setOpen(!open)}>Menu <ArrowIcon /></button>
                                      {open && (
                                        <ul>
                                          <li>Option 1</li>
                                          <li>Option 2</li>
                                        </ul>
                                      )}
                                    </div>
                                  );
                                }
                                
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                                lostxor@fedia.io
                                wrote last edited by
                                #24

                                You don't need JS at all if you get a bit creative with the CSS.

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                                • nokturne213@sopuli.xyzN nokturne213@sopuli.xyz

                                  Blorp has a desktop app.

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                                  omegalemmy@discuss.online
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #25

                                  Is it electron? I can't seem to find it outside of Mac, iOS and a test for Android

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                                  • L lostxor@fedia.io

                                    You don't need JS at all if you get a bit creative with the CSS.

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                                    shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #26

                                    That way is old and busted, here's the new hotness (anchor positioning).

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                                    • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubB bdonvr@thelemmy.club

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      thelemmy.club

                                      favicon

                                      (old.thelemmy.club)

                                      Unfortunately with Lemmy 1.0 MLMYM (the software used to provide this UI) will have to be shutdown, unless the MLMYM dev re-appears or someone forks and maintains it.

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                                      blaze@piefed.social
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #27

                                      Hopefully someone will volunteer to make compatible with Lemmy 1.0

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                                      • ? Guest

                                        So, I am one of those old school types who mains with Firefox and Noscript. And also a filthy casual that just goes on lemmy.world. But half the images are broken because I'm expected to allow scripts on like 30+ sites to see most of the posts. I'm literally expected to allow /all/ the scripts from a domain just so I can see a dang picture behind the thumbnail. That's the entirety of the scripting needed. That seems ridiculous. Is there, I don't know, a server/way that makes it so I don't have to blanket allow all these scripts? To put it in meme form (not sure I'm doing it right, never seen the show): "It's an image of a banana Michael, what should it take, one Raspberry Pi running Docker?"

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                                        lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #28

                                        This tbh.

                                        I don't understand why is this not he standard for Lemmy and the Fediverse. We got here, among other things, to get away from the kind of crap enabled by JS-first web.

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                                        • ? Guest

                                          So, I am one of those old school types who mains with Firefox and Noscript. And also a filthy casual that just goes on lemmy.world. But half the images are broken because I'm expected to allow scripts on like 30+ sites to see most of the posts. I'm literally expected to allow /all/ the scripts from a domain just so I can see a dang picture behind the thumbnail. That's the entirety of the scripting needed. That seems ridiculous. Is there, I don't know, a server/way that makes it so I don't have to blanket allow all these scripts? To put it in meme form (not sure I'm doing it right, never seen the show): "It's an image of a banana Michael, what should it take, one Raspberry Pi running Docker?"

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                                          nothing4you@programming.dev
                                          wrote last edited by nothing4you@programming.dev
                                          #29

                                          doesn't require allowing javascript of a million other servers?

                                          half the images are broken because I’m expected to allow scripts on like 30+ sites to see most of the posts

                                          software like noscript is not exactly beginner friendly. you're expected to understand the impact of your blocking and what you are blocking. the only domain you need to allow JS from on lemmy.world is lemmy.world. standard lemmy-ui does not load any js or css from third party sources, only the domain where lemmy-ui is served. your noscript configuration is blocking the actual images, not javascript that would be required to load images.

                                          edit:

                                          to expand on this, even in tor browser in safest mode, lemmy.world works totally fine when all you do is allow JS from lemmy.world on lemmy.world:

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