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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    Dear Fedi friends,

    I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

    The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

    Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

    mensrea@freeradical.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
    mensrea@freeradical.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
    mensrea@freeradical.zone
    wrote on last edited by
    #13

    @_elena they seem like great domains to start hosting fedi services. they go looking for euro-corp they find international co-op

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    • nopatience@swecyb.comN nopatience@swecyb.com

      @_elena No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.

      Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.

      Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.

      That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.

      nopatience@swecyb.comN This user is from outside of this forum
      nopatience@swecyb.comN This user is from outside of this forum
      nopatience@swecyb.com
      wrote on last edited by
      #14

      @_elena Unless you can do both at the same time... then do both 😉

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      • mensrea@freeradical.zoneM mensrea@freeradical.zone

        @_elena they seem like great domains to start hosting fedi services. they go looking for euro-corp they find international co-op

        mensrea@freeradical.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
        mensrea@freeradical.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
        mensrea@freeradical.zone
        wrote on last edited by
        #15

        @_elena what's known as guerrilla marketing

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        • palin@livellosegreto.itP palin@livellosegreto.it

          @ed @_elena I politely ask why not both? A centralized system could be better if there are no drawbacks. We know that there no such thing as a free lunch, so we should explain that on top of fediverse advantages.

          vonblubba@livellosegreto.itV This user is from outside of this forum
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          vonblubba@livellosegreto.it
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          #16

          @palin Europe is finally taking steps toward independence from US IT infrastructure. It’s likely too little, too late, but it’s still a move in the right direction. While I appreciate the effort, I suspect the Fediverse might have been a better solution. That said, I cynically believe this initiative will fail miserably without much outside interference 😅 @ed @_elena

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          • nopatience@swecyb.comN nopatience@swecyb.com

            @_elena No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.

            Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.

            Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.

            That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.

            everton137@social.vivaldi.netE This user is from outside of this forum
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            everton137@social.vivaldi.net
            wrote on last edited by
            #17

            @_elena @nopatience I second that.

            A video addressing the nearly 60% of Members of the European Parliament still active on X would be beautiful.

            Members of the European Parliament (MEPs)

            favicon

            Leave X - Protect Democracy (leavex.eu)

            What would happen if prominent politicians had official, active accounts on the Fediverse? Public attention would certainly follow, as would journalists, who are obligated to track and report on political figures.

            People don't leave the Fediverse solely because of technical hurdles. Many arrive, look around, and simply don't find enough reasons to stay. Retention is not just a usability problem, but also a matter of social density and relevance. With a sufficiently large and visible group of active participants, the Fediverse could generate its own gravity and flourish beyond the tech-savvy community.

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              Dear Fedi friends,

              I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

              The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

              Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

              odd@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
              odd@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
              odd@mstdn.social
              wrote on last edited by
              #18

              @_elena its probably better not to sabotage EU alternatives, but by grabbing domains the fediverse could be injected into the news cycle, if done with a coherent message to the media.

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              • nopatience@swecyb.comN nopatience@swecyb.com

                @_elena No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.

                Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.

                Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.

                That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.

                angelomassaro@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                angelomassaro@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                angelomassaro@mastodon.social
                wrote on last edited by
                #19

                @nopatience @_elena I second this

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                • d1re_w0lf@mstdn.socialD d1re_w0lf@mstdn.social

                  @_elena It’s ironic that the supposed European alternative to X and the answer to independence from U.S. tech is… using “American” ATProto instead of “European” Mastodon.

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                  Anuj Ahooja (@quillmatiq.com)

                  Turns out, W may run on ATProto. Dope. Probably should've led with that in the initial PR cycle, and I wish they had given props to other folks building ATProto infra in Europe as well. Not too late to do so! [contains quote post or other embedded content]

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                  Bluesky Social (bsky.app)

                  sturmsucht@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                  sturmsucht@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                  sturmsucht@mastodon.social
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #20

                  @d1re_w0lf @_elena

                  EDIT: Sorry, I mixed up Wsocial with Wedium https://wedium.social

                  New social networks are popping up everywhere these days.

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    Dear Fedi friends,

                    I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                    The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                    Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                    crossgolf_rebel@moppels.barC This user is from outside of this forum
                    crossgolf_rebel@moppels.barC This user is from outside of this forum
                    crossgolf_rebel@moppels.bar
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                    #21

                    @_elena@mastodon.social Do it!
                    Every voice that points out how stupid the idea is must be publicly available.

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      Dear Fedi friends,

                      I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                      The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                      Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                      N This user is from outside of this forum
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                      nanianmichaels@tech.lgbt
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                      #22

                      @_elena The "you need to upload a valid form of ID" is reason alone to blast it, so I very much support blasting it.

                      I was curious about it, but as soon as I saw that requirement, I went "NOPE".

                      I get the why they want to do it that way, to clamp down on bots and have traceability in case of abuse, but it's an Orwelian nightmare. Not to mention that a third party will have access to your ID photos, and we all know how well (as in, not) said third-parties handle and secure PII...

                      And then of course there's the advertisers salivating over the whole thing, because it's a 100% sure way to pinpoint EXACTLY who they're advertising to.

                      Not to mention over-zealous (to put it mildly) law enforcement accessing said targeting data...

                      Yes, this very much needs a major blast.

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        Dear Fedi friends,

                        I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                        The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                        Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                        vladcampos@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                        vladcampos@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                        vladcampos@mastodon.social
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #23

                        @_elena Honestly, I think that will only create a sense of division: "Mine is better than yours".

                        I don't believe that's what the world needs now. I think we need to try to find a common ground. For example, why did they choose the ATProto?

                        Although I would prefer them to have decided on ActivityPub, maybe they have a reason.

                        vladcampos@mastodon.socialV ikuturso@mastodon.socialI teajaygrey@snac.bsd.cafeT 3 Replies Last reply
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                        • nopatience@swecyb.comN nopatience@swecyb.com

                          @_elena No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.

                          Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.

                          Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.

                          That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.

                          paul@misskey.ellidaf.ruP This user is from outside of this forum
                          paul@misskey.ellidaf.ruP This user is from outside of this forum
                          paul@misskey.ellidaf.ru
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #24

                          @nopatience@swecyb.com @_elena@mastodon.social When it comes to competitors, treat them like the dead: praise them — or keep it buried. 😎

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                          • vladcampos@mastodon.socialV vladcampos@mastodon.social

                            @_elena Honestly, I think that will only create a sense of division: "Mine is better than yours".

                            I don't believe that's what the world needs now. I think we need to try to find a common ground. For example, why did they choose the ATProto?

                            Although I would prefer them to have decided on ActivityPub, maybe they have a reason.

                            vladcampos@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                            vladcampos@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                            vladcampos@mastodon.social
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #25

                            @_elena One thing I see myself doing more and more lately is writing to companies and institutions, asking them why they don't have an account on the Fediverse and explaining how to do it. It works, but it has to be easy. One thing I'm constantly telling them is that there's a simple way to do it if they are running their blog on WordPress. I also send them a how-to I wrote.

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              Dear Fedi friends,

                              I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                              The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                              Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                              androcat@toot.catA This user is from outside of this forum
                              androcat@toot.catA This user is from outside of this forum
                              androcat@toot.cat
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                              #26

                              @_elena Hijacking the ludicrous agitprop for a better purpose is a good idea.

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                              • vladcampos@mastodon.socialV vladcampos@mastodon.social

                                @_elena Honestly, I think that will only create a sense of division: "Mine is better than yours".

                                I don't believe that's what the world needs now. I think we need to try to find a common ground. For example, why did they choose the ATProto?

                                Although I would prefer them to have decided on ActivityPub, maybe they have a reason.

                                ikuturso@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
                                ikuturso@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
                                ikuturso@mastodon.social
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #27

                                @vladcampos @_elena Well, I guess a counterpoint would be that them deciding to do this thing while pretending nothing at all exists in this space in Europe currently is also creating a sense of division already.

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                                • ikuturso@mastodon.socialI ikuturso@mastodon.social

                                  @vladcampos @_elena Well, I guess a counterpoint would be that them deciding to do this thing while pretending nothing at all exists in this space in Europe currently is also creating a sense of division already.

                                  vladcampos@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                                  vladcampos@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                                  vladcampos@mastodon.social
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #28

                                  @ikuturso @_elena Sure it is! And that's my point. The more we as humans embark on this division, the worse things will get.

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    Dear Fedi friends,

                                    I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

                                    The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

                                    Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

                                    frankaulux@polyglot.cityF This user is from outside of this forum
                                    frankaulux@polyglot.cityF This user is from outside of this forum
                                    frankaulux@polyglot.city
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #29

                                    @_elena

                                    A couple of arguments, if I may:

                                    1) why reinvent the wheel ???

                                    2) why a proprietary system (as it is derived from bluesky)

                                    3) why not simply ask every member state to put up an official mastodon instance and use that ??? That would be much simpler and cheaper !!

                                    Good luck

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                                    • frankaulux@polyglot.cityF frankaulux@polyglot.city

                                      @_elena

                                      A couple of arguments, if I may:

                                      1) why reinvent the wheel ???

                                      2) why a proprietary system (as it is derived from bluesky)

                                      3) why not simply ask every member state to put up an official mastodon instance and use that ??? That would be much simpler and cheaper !!

                                      Good luck

                                      humanhorseshoes@mastodon.worldH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      humanhorseshoes@mastodon.world
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #30

                                      @FrankauLux @_elena all they did was tap the EU for funding and they’re so cautious and clueless they backed it because they used the right buzzwords

                                      frankaulux@polyglot.cityF frebelt@mastodon.onlineF 2 Replies Last reply
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                                      • humanhorseshoes@mastodon.worldH humanhorseshoes@mastodon.world

                                        @FrankauLux @_elena all they did was tap the EU for funding and they’re so cautious and clueless they backed it because they used the right buzzwords

                                        frankaulux@polyglot.cityF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        frankaulux@polyglot.city
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #31

                                        @humanhorseshoes @_elena

                                        Well not sure they are so clueless, since the EU institutions have had their own mastodon instances for a while.
                                        The Commission, the Parliament and the Court of Justice all have an instance.

                                        I think it is more a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand does, ie politician answering before consulting the tech guys.
                                        But we'll see.
                                        Luckily (in this case) things go slow and we have time to alter the course.

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                                        • sturmsucht@mastodon.socialS sturmsucht@mastodon.social

                                          @d1re_w0lf @_elena

                                          EDIT: Sorry, I mixed up Wsocial with Wedium https://wedium.social

                                          New social networks are popping up everywhere these days.

                                          aslakr@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          aslakr@mastodon.social
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #32

                                          @sturmsucht @d1re_w0lf @_elena Does anyone of these people (from wedium GmbH) exist in any form on an activtypub instance or atpro/bluesky?

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