Kagi (paid search engine): "Peertube results now show up in regular searches, plus you can filter by "source" to see more Peertube content."

[mesamunefire@piefed.social]

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29244629

You can also search the Fediverse directly

[guidy@lemmy.world]

“Paid search engine” <— no thanks.

[chowtime3688@sopuli.xyz]

If you're not paying, you're the product.

[moonlightfox@lemmy.world]

Upvoted.

I have a counterpoint to those claiming that paid are better.
By using a privacy oriented search engine, then they don't know exactly who you are. In theory just your IP. Maybe fingerprinting.

When paying they know exactly who you are. You have to trust them.

So in one case you can protect yourself, in the other you have to trust them.

Also, Kagi also uses the Russian index Yandex

[jrockwar@feddit.uk]

That's only when doing business with corporations, but there's also the option of open source (e.g. SearxNG).

Or do you consider yourself the product when using Lemmy?

[kibiz0r@midwest.social]

Kagi Privacy Pass

[toastmeister@lemmy.ca]

I use Yandex a lot now for not censoring me. Maybe I'll have to try this.

[null@slrpnk.net]

Do you think Lemmy is free? Your admin is paying, and trusting you to donate to help out.

[ikidd@lemmy.world]

1. Log into browser extension with kagi account

2. generate tokens

3. use said tokens

How does this ensure privacy? The tokens are associated to your account from the start.

[jrockwar@feddit.uk]

Uh, what a weird message. It's not only unrelated to what I said but it reads like an attempt to twist my words. On top of it, it's totally wrong: Lemmy is free. I can self host Lemmy on a raspberry pi for exactly 0€.

The instance I use... Is also free. I donate because I choose to, but if my friend can't afford to donate they can still use the instance. Nobody is profiting from it.

What I did talk about is products and doing business with corporations. With Lemmy there's no product, whether you pay or not. With SearxNG (which many people self host, and again, is free) you're not the product, regardless of how much you pay.

That's what I was replying to - your comment is way off the mark and very condescending: I don't need to be mansplained that I should donate to the software I already donate to. Note donate rather than pay for.

[null@slrpnk.net]

Lemmy is free. I can self host Lemmy on a raspberry pi for exactly 0€.

Dang, where can I get a free Raspberry Pi and internet connection? That sounds awesome!

The instance I use... Is also free. I donate because I choose to, but if my friend can't afford to donate they can still use the instance. Nobody is profiting from it.

This is exactly my point. It's like when people call it "free healthcare".

[kibiz0r@midwest.social]

There’s a link in the second paragraph to the technical details, including source code for the implementation and documentation for the required infrastructure.

But the tl;dr is that the tokens aren’t associated to your account. Unless you were able to snoop on the original request that generated the tokens (in which case, you’ve got bigger issues!), there’s no way to prove that a token is related to a specific account. A token only proves that an authorization server once granted access to some account.

Edit: Wikipedia has a good intro:

Non-interactive zero-knowledge proofs are cryptographic primitives, where information between a prover and a verifier can be authenticated by the prover, without revealing any of the specific information beyond the validity of the statement itself.

Edit 2: You should not be catching downvotes. You had a reasonable question.

[jrockwar@feddit.uk]

Don't run it on a raspberry pi, run it on the same computer you use to access the Google search you call "free".

[null@slrpnk.net]

My computer isn't free, nor is my internet connection.

When did I call Google searches "free"?

[underpantsweevil@lemmy.world]

It is funny to see people relentlessness stanning a paid service that's built on a notoriously fraud prone crypto stack, then getting paranoid about something about as sophisticated as Lexus Nexus because it's hosted out of Evil Country.

I hope nobody here bothers to interogate where their torrents are being hosted from too closely.

[underpantsweevil@lemmy.world]

I love to mock people who use the library by shouting "If you're not the payer then you're the product!"

Westerners are so baby-brained on this shit. Kagi can take your money and still spy on you. Yandex can not take your money and still not bother caching your search history, because there's no good way for them to monetize it. Nevermind GitHub or Wikipedia or literally any other public good being hosted on any website anywhere.

The delusion that you're safe using a free service is matched only by the delusion that you're protected because you paid someone money.

[jrockwar@feddit.uk]

Exhausting. If you don't consider anything in the world is free, why did you bother saying Lemmy isn't free?

Plus this argument is rubbish, it's like saying "my car isn't free, nor is the road, nor is my petrol, so the beach isn't free".

Just because you have to buy clothes to go out for a walk, it doesn't make it any less free.

What are you trying to argue here? That the term "free" shouldn't exist because in a capitalist society everything has dependencies? (I still don't get how that relates to my original post which was purely about doing business with corporations).

Then fine, Lemmy isn't free, neither is the sun, or going for a walk. You win. Good day sir.

[null@slrpnk.net]

You really only think in black and white, huh?

Sad.

[jrockwar@feddit.uk]

Yes I do. I'm totally the one who can't understand that "free" is a nuanced concept and something can be free when there are costs but they are externalised.

[null@slrpnk.net]

And yet you can't fathom the difference between hosting and maintaining something, versus consuming something.